Infinite love and narcissism

[Arkandeus]

Lately I was pondering how narcissism is related to infinite love

 

In a sense that if I consider myself to be godly and divine and perfect, but what I identify as is not one mind in one physical body but Inidentify as all of reality

What if narcissists have it right in some degree with their self-love,  but they fail to recognize their self extends to everything

If I am godlike and divine, so is every part of life, every person, every object, every moment, every plant, every animal, every sound that makes up the reality that I am, everyone is godlike and divine and perfect

So I can truly see the divine in another human being in the degree that I allow myself to see the divine in me, the trick to not become an egotic narcissist is to know that everyone mirrors you and you mirror everyone, there is no conflict

Perhap narcissistic energy has to be embraced in a positive way, and this is it

 

Edited November 30, 2018 by Arkandeus

[Nahm]

@Arkandeus Are you a narcissist? 

[Joseph Maynor]

The key is to drop the theory.  You actually keep the theory you just don't put as much value in it.  Once you figure out what you need to do, all this theory stuff becomes much less important.  You'll still be Enlightened, but you're gonna be focused on completing projects instead of theory.

Edited December 1, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[Arkandeus]

14 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Arkandeus Are you a narcissist? 

I guess I am since I identify with all energy, and narcisstic energy being one of the many

Where does infinite love begin and narcissism end?, I can see no distinction, if anything I think the bad stigma with narcissism rightly so is the horrible result of having infinite love for the self and making a separation between self and others, but once the barrier between self and others is dissipated that narcissism is no different then divine love for all that is

 

[Nahm]

@Arkandeus But how could you even make such a distinction then, as to what is a “narcissist”?

[Arkandeus]

3 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Arkandeus But how could you even make such a distinction then, as to what is a “narcissist”?

In my personal perspective I see a narcissist as an archetype

A certain energy and behaviour, some people literally embody that archetype and are called narcissists but we all have that archetype in a smaller size in us

For me its an archetype that shows the shadow side of self-love, self-love with belief of separation, which leads to huge ego

But from each archetype we can learn positive things, I believe so

 

 

[Forestluv]

@Arkandeus You seem to be conflating absolute Self with finite self (distinguished by upper case "S" and lower case "s"). They are very different concepts. A narcissist is immersed in self-centeredness and nowhere near being the One Self.

A narcissist may experience self love (lower case), which is a more immature understanding of love than unconditional Absolute Love (upper case).

It's like asking "isn't a cat kind of like a bat because the words rhyme?"

Terms like: God and god, Self and self, Love and love have different meanings depending on the stage of spiritual development. 

[Arkandeus]

23 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

@Arkandeus You seem to be conflating absolute Self with finite self (distinguished by upper case "S" and lower case "s"). They are very different concepts. A narcissist is immersed in self-centeredness and nowhere near being the One Self.

A narcissist may experience self love (lower case), which is a more immature understanding of love than unconditional Absolute Love (upper case).

It's like asking "isn't a cat kind of like a bat because the words rhyme?"

Terms like: God and god, Self and self, Love and love have different meanings depending on the stage of spiritual development. 

For a narcissist that isn't conscious of spirituality in his perspective his finite self is his absolute self, because he does not believe or perceive anything beyond that

From the outside, from the perspective of conscious beings like us, it looks self-centered, but from inside the narcisstic point of view, if you do not believe that anyone matters beyond yourself, you are in a sense all that you know, and all that you know is you

For one to be self-centered, you have to in some degree believe that others matter in order to view a separation from others and then consciously put yourself above others

 

Which is why I find the narcisstic state of being very interesting

If I were to infinitely love all that I am and I identify as the only being that matters, and others as props, then I am a narcissist

If I were to infinitely love all that I am and I identify as all beings and I deem that all beings matter, then I am closer to the absolute self

Its very related, the difference is there but is very related, I am doing the exact same thing as a narcissist, loving all that I am

A narcissist only becomes a narcissist when his or her infinite love is misidentified

I find narcissism very interesting, they might be horrible persons to be around with in reality and have a huge ego BUT they do love themselves, and love is always good, that is their one big positive quality, that I am interested in

 

 

Edited December 1, 2018 by Arkandeus

[DrewNows]

@ArkandeusThis is interesting. Cool to think about 

I kind of see it as there is limited love and infinite love. 

limited being selfish, divided, uunholy, desiring, conditioned, narcissistic, ignorant 

infinite being whole, unconditional, etc    narcissism merely being a false expression of true love 

[Forestluv]

1 hour ago, Arkandeus said:

For a narcissist that isn't conscious of spirituality in his perspective his finite self is his absolute self, because he does not believe or perceive anything beyond that

From the outside, from the perspective of conscious beings like us, it looks self-centered, but from inside the narcisstic point of view, if you do not believe that anyone matters beyond yourself, you are in a sense all that you know, and all that you know is you

For one to be self-centered, you have to in some degree believe that others matter in order to view a separation from others and then consciously put yourself above others

If I were to infinitely love all that I am and I identify as the only being that matters, and others as props, then I am a narcissist

If I were to infinitely love all that I am and I identify as all beings and I deem that all beings matter, then I am closer to the absolute self

Its very related, the difference is there but is very related, I am doing the exact same thing as a narcissist, loving all that I am

A narcissist only becomes a narcissist when his or her infinite love is misidentified

I think you still have dualities and are conflating relative with Absolute.

Absolute/Infinite Love is pretty straightforward. It includes Everything, which is the same as No Thing.

There is no separate love of a self, narcissist, rock, pizza, me, you, flowers etc. That is all relative.

 

[Truth Addict]

Love doesn't understand mathematics.

Love doesn't wait.

It just happens when it happens.

Do you love everyone and everything? Don't think, because you already know the answer. 

[isabel]

my mother is a narcissist, I definitely would not describe her feelings towards herself as love

she is nothing but self loathing, fear, and pain

she can temporarily relieve that horrific pain by appearing to be greater or better than someone else

if someone makes her feel powerful then she "loves" that person but not really, she only loves that they temporarily relieve her fear which is mainly that she is not powerful at all...and so on

so her going around appearing to be so amazing looks like self love but it is not

and we're all like that just not as intense, not nearly

Edited December 1, 2018 by isabel

[Jack River]

We can keep it simple and say in the presence of a self imposed image there is no love. 

The image implies isolation/attachment/resistance/fear/reaction. Love cannot be with such conditioned movement self. 

Edited December 1, 2018 by Jack River