Thought on Enlightenment -- Very Very deep

[Bauer1977]

7 hours ago, ZZZZ said:

I used to confuse myself with the idea of souls and higher souls, etc. but I think those are just tricky names the ego gives you so you let it continue to live conceptually in your mind, even when you think it has "died." You are fragmenting something that we have already given one name, the ego. Once you realize the true nature of things, this separation should appear fruitless.

I appreciate your comment. I agree with that perspective. It seems as though it is the only possible way if I understand things correctly. Cheers

[Bauer1977]

7 hours ago, Pilgrim said:

What you are referring to as "soul" is the Self, that's what we truly are. I guess the soul knows already what it is, it was never a part of the illusion. But we are still identified with our ego, the self or however we want to call it. Therefore the soul is enlightened already, but we just cannot see it. 

But if the soul is Enlightened already, wouldn't it be impossible for it to be a separate idea from the source then? In this case, it seems as though your saying there is no soul. But I tend to think that we do have a soul as part of the illusion. Therefore, it seems to me that the soul cannot be fully Enlightened until its ushered a human into Enlightenment. 

[ZZZZ]

47 minutes ago, Bauer1977 said:

I appreciate your comment. I agree with that perspective. It seems as though it is the only possible way if I understand things correctly. Cheers

No problem mate. I think part of what you are hinting at (and confused about) is this notion that whatever you want to call the entity that remains beyond the ego is already enlightened, which is true. But this is YOU. This is your true nature. It is not some sort of inward property called the "soul." There is also no human that has to be enlightened, because you are not that human. 

Watch Leo's latest 10 Ox video. I think you are sort of convoluting the concept that there is no spiritual search to be done because we have been enlightened the entire time, but Leo explains that this search is necessary in order to ultimately realize that the truth has been present the entire time. Recognizing and disassociating with the ego is part of this process, but it has confused you for now. Continue to meditate and self inquire and this will become clearer over time. It can sound silly until you experience it yourself.

[Bauer1977]

16 hours ago, Mikael89 said:

Yes I do. And millions other people all over the world.

Well, I am certainly in no position to confirm or deny if that perspective is right or wrong. All I know for sure is that when i felt that way, my life was miserable. Having that perspective didn't serve my life very well. Any sort of happiness or joy was impossible. Adopting a more positive take has helped me enjoy life more. So whether the idea of an all loving God is right or wrong, the fact is that I can't think of a better way to live. I can appreciate things and enjoy things now. Having a positive attitude accomplishes that at the very least. And if it was all a big mistake, then by the time you die, it won't have mattered anyways. At least I will have experienced less suffering and a bit more joy in the meantime

[Truth Addict]

On 30/11/2018 at 2:39 PM, Yousef said:

When God realizes he is God and he is capable of doing everything.  He decided to make himself forget that he is God.  Only to go through an infinite journey to rediscover the he is God.  Cuz that sounds more fun than just being bored with his  perfection as God. 

Quoted from jed mckenna? 

[Truth Addict]

On 30/11/2018 at 3:37 PM, Bauer1977 said:

Look folks, I am not interested in having a critique of my wording or the fact that I am posting it here. Or the high and mighty who have only one view of spirituality and feel it necessary to judge, or feel that its the wrong question worded in the wrong way and what that means to them for whatever reason.

I am looking to see how other people feel about the idea that Enlightenment is not just a case of Ego death, but also of soul death.

Drop your theory and stories.

What is death? What is life?

You see the relativity there?

The absolute is beyond life and death.

So when you say ego death, you're talking relatively about something illusory.

Soul death cannot possibly occur, because the Soul cannot die, because it is not even alive. It's just being.

[Bauer1977]

5 hours ago, Truth Addict said:

Drop your theory and stories.

What is death? What is life?

You see the relativity there?

The absolute is beyond life and death.

So when you say ego death, you're talking relatively about something illusory.

Soul death cannot possibly occur, because the Soul cannot die, because it is not even alive. It's just being.

I like this... thanks for your contribution!! 

So you feel that soul, although in a state of being, is not also in an illusory state of separation from the source? Because my thought is that my soul is what I refer to when I say that I have likely lived many lives before this one. Soul is the only constant in that string of lives. The purpose of this string of lives appears to be a collective expansion of consciousness over those lifetimes, ultimately leading a human life to Enlightenment (as per David R Hawkins). If that's the case, once the soul has guided a human life to Enlightenment, doesn't it seem reasonable that it to would dissolve back into the source, thus losing its status as an individual soul?

[Truth Addict]

@Bauer1977

More stories and nonsense. Another layer of illusion on top of others.

What does my or others opinions matter?

Why do you want us to give you an answer?

I could tell you a lie, an affirmation or a negation to your thoughts. What does it mean to you?

I think you should ask yourself more and others less.

[Bauer1977]

45 minutes ago, Truth Addict said:

@Bauer1977

More stories and nonsense. Another layer of illusion on top of others.

What does my or others opinions matter?

Why do you want us to give you an answer?

I could tell you a lie, an affirmation or a negation to your thoughts. What does it mean to you?

I think you should ask yourself more and others less.

I have to ask then, why are you on a chat site if that's your opinion of sharing such ideas amongst one another? That is the piece that doesn't fit 

[Truth Addict]

28 minutes ago, Bauer1977 said:

I have to ask then, why are you on a chat site if that's your opinion of sharing such ideas amongst one another? That is the piece that doesn't fit 

I could give you infinite opinions and ideas, but that'll get you nowhere.

The things you're asking about are not to be answered by someone else but yourself. It's just the way they are. I can only point you to that, not do it for you.

I can't drink your water to quench your thirst.

[ground]

2 hours ago, Bauer1977 said:

I have to ask then, why are you on a chat site if that's your opinion of sharing such ideas amongst one another? That is the piece that doesn't fit 

Birds do not bother about reasons for singing. Birds are singing because it's their nature. The same applies to humans expressing ideas, i.e. expressing ideas is their nature. There is only the intellect that confuses itself through 'why should I do this? why do I do that?'

Edited December 2, 2018 by ground

[Bauer1977]

2 hours ago, ground said:

Birds do not bother about reasons for singing. Birds are singing because it's their nature. The same applies to humans expressing ideas, i.e. expressing ideas is their nature. There is only the intellect that confuses itself through 'why should I do this? why do I do that?'

Exactly. I can't explain why I do what I do here. As I understand things I am not in control. Every explanation would just be an excuse