Please Don't chase enlightenment.

[Jack River]

13 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Jack River Would you say enlightenment is the same as the realization that there is no separate self? 

I wouldn’t, couldn’t, and shouldn’t say anything about “enlightenment”.  

It’s to small, superficial, limiting, to even talk about. 

[Jack River]

3 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Would you have the understanding that a self was pursuing ideas it presents in this thread? Ideas of self, thoughts, movements in time etc. are all being entertained by a self component that has yet to be realized? 

Fosho. The self will accumulate everything here on the forum and use it as a means to free itself which will actually feed itself. Fuel the divison. 

Thats why freedom/holistic insight is so necessary. 

Edited November 26, 2018 by Jack River

[Forestluv]

2 minutes ago, Jack River said:

Fosho. The self will accumulate everything here on the forum and use it as a means to free itself which will actually feed itself. Fuel the divison. 

Thats why freedom/holistic insight is so necessary. 

Yes. It is easy to see in others. Much more difficult to see in one's own self. One's own self tends to believe it's own ideas about self, thoughts, movements through time etc. 

[Strikr]

1 minute ago, Serotoninluv said:

Yes. It is easy to see in others. Much more difficult to see in one's own self. One's own self tends to believe it's own ideas about self, thoughts, movements through time etc. 

true this is why it's good to write a good script to remember, what should be, don't you think ?

[Jack River]

5 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Yes. It is easy to see in others. Much more difficult to see in one's own self. One's own self tends to believe it's own ideas about self, thoughts, movements through time etc. 

Yep. We are talking about selfs..all selfs are the same. The self is its accumulated knowledge/experience(time).. fosho. 

This comes about actually by observing yourself without resistance/attachment(identification). Self learning/self reflection. This insight is not the result of thought. 

Edited November 26, 2018 by Jack River

[Forestluv]

3 minutes ago, Jack River said:

Yep. We are talking about selfs..all selfs are the same. The self is its accumulated knowledge/experience(time).. fosho. 

Do you believe that? Could that be false?

[thehero]

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@non_nothing

[Jack River]

2 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Do you believe that? Could that be false?

 The believer is the believed. Awareness sees it as one unit in movement of time. 

[Strikr]

1 minute ago, Serotoninluv said:

Do you believe that? Could that be false?

yes, everything is bullshit, litteraly.

means this exact sentence itself.

only the model I create for the I that sounds relevant to "me" in a direct experience manner, are "real" to me,

all others are "fantasy" ( but in reality, everything out of a mind is fantasy thought/model, there is no difference ). If they are relevant, they are relevant to me, and only me, and even this relevance, is a lie to my own self, it's like something I use to call a wind on my boat.

in reality the usefulness of my mind is relevant to "me", and the model are relevant to me, the map is not the territory, means the map that his my mind is a cloud, a pure delusion, something we point in the sky that is forever formless.

 

does that make any 'sense' ?

[Forestluv]

1 minute ago, Jack River said:

 The believer is the believed. Awareness sees it as one unit in movement of time. 

Could that be false?

[Jack River]

6 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Could that be false?

Fosho dude, it very well can be. That’s why it’s important to self understand/observe. Like we said above self loves to accumulate and cling to ideas. The Breeding ground of time. 

Edited November 26, 2018 by Jack River

[Forestluv]

6 minutes ago, Jack River said:

Like we said above self loves to accumulate and cling to ideas. 

Sometimes it seems people on the forum get immersed into their story of ideas.

The statement "self hates to accumulate and cling to ideas", is also true.

The statement "self loves to get rid of and let go of ideas" is also true.

[Jack River]

Just now, Serotoninluv said:

Sometimes it seems people on the forum get immersed into their story of ideas.

The statement "self hates to accumulate and cling to ideas", is also true.

The statement "self loves to get rid of and let go of ideas" is also true.

Yep still a divided action. 

Still an action influenced by a chooser. 

Those actions are still influenced by conclusions/time. 

[Strikr]

3 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Sometimes it seems people on the forum get immersed into their story of ideas.

The statement "self hates to accumulate and cling to ideas", is also true.

The statement "self loves to get rid of and let go of ideas" is also true.

everything is true, depending on the lens who look at it.

please give me insight on my bs, instead of dodging me to keep bs between just yours and not me, that's very egoic enlightened

[Forestluv]

Just now, Jack River said:

Yep still a divided action. 

Still an action influenced by a chooser. 

Those actions are still influenced by conclusions/time. 

That's not what is being pointing to. There seems to be focus on the pointer, not what is being pointed to. . . 

[Forestluv]

10 minutes ago, Strikr said:

please give me insight on my bs, instead of dodging me to keep bs between just yours and not me, that's very egoic enlightened

What you have been writing has not raised any thoughts in my mind regarding traps or delusion. 

[Strikr]

21 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

What you have been writing has not raised any thoughts in my mind regarding traps or delusion. 

means you agree with my cloud to explain the cloud ?  that's a nice cloud ?

[robdl]

2 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

Sometimes it seems people on the forum get immersed into their story of ideas.

The statement "self hates to accumulate and cling to ideas", is also true.

The statement "self loves to get rid of and let go of ideas" is also true.

 

1 hour ago, Jack River said:

Yep still a divided action. 

Still an action influenced by a chooser. 

Those actions are still influenced by conclusions/time. 

 Indeed.

If the self gets rid of an idea, what has influenced that disidentification/removal?  Is it not the bias-conditioning (conclusions/time) that the self has clung to?  The divided action as the "chooser"? 

Even in disidentification and getting rid of ideas, there will be the underlying work of clinging-attachment (the past) that's influencing that action.

Disidentification and the clinging of the past can't be so easily separated apart.  The loss of an idea may be the very movement of clinging itself.

The loss of an idea in accordance to experience-knowledge-memory will serve to validate that very accumulated content. 

 

 

 

Edited November 26, 2018 by robdl

[Strikr]

I mean, is there a true way to stop the flow of thought ? even aware of the river, the river still keep flowing, that's annoying, as an artist, the "not knowing" is really something nice.

is there a true way to be more in the "now", besides another mindfuck tail ? way of being as stupid as eckart tolle ?

[Forestluv]

38 minutes ago, Strikr said:

I mean, is there a true way to stop the flow of thought ? even aware of the river, the river still keep flowing, that's annoying, as an artist, the "not knowing" is really something nice.

There are states of being without thought and conceptualization. Just observing and perceiving. Just being.