Storing your 5-MeO-DMT: A primer on long-term storage of psychedelic compounds

[outlandish]

As many of you know, pure 5-Meo-DMT has become available again from research chemical vendors! Many people are interested stocking up and keeping it for the long haul. This thread is intended to provide an outline of the best strategies for storing 5-MeO-DMT (and other psychedelics). With good storage procedure it should be possible to store 5-MeO-DMT for decades with little to no degradation. While this primer was written with 5-MeO-DMT in mind, it applies to other psychedelic compounds as well.

It is divided into the sections: Material, Safety, Long term storage, Short term storage

Material:

• The salts of 5-MeO-DMT will resist degradation better than the freebase, so you could choose 5-MeO-DMT in Oxalate, Fumarate, HCl or other salt form as they will all last better than the freebase.
• Someone on here pointed out that the Oxalate has never before appeared on the market, indicating that this is a fresh batch, so that might be the best un-degraded form right now. OTOH, the other forms could be from a new synth too, I don't know.
• If you need freebase down the road for vaporizing, there are teks on the web on how to convert a salt form to freebase. If you just want to vape it for short term use, you might as well order freebase.
• When talking about other compounds, here are some general rules of thumb:
  • The phenethylamines (2C-B, 2C-E, mescaline etc) are the most hardy of the bunch. Mescaline has been found in peyote buttons in archaeology sites still active after hundreds or even thousands of years.
  • Next, the tryptamine class (including 5-MeO-DMT) are a fair bit more fragile and need better care. Of the tryptamine class, the 5-sub ones (5-MeO-DMT etc) seem more hardy than the 4-sub ones (4-AcO-DMT, psilocybin etc).
  • Last, the lysergamides (LSD, AL-LAD) are theoretically the least stable of the bunch, although there is a story of old Sandoz acid being passed around at some gathering many many decades after it was synthed, and it still worked fine. Lysergamides are particularly vulnerable to UV light and the chlorine that's found in most tap water.

Safety:

• Locks - If you live with children or irresponsible adults, it is crucial that you keep these compounds safely locked away. Acquire some kind of small lock box to store your chemicals in. Even without such people around, it's a good habit for long term storage because you don't know what might come about in 10 years.
• Labelling - It's critical to properly label any stored material. You will forget what is what 10 years from now. Also if someone penetrates your locked box, you don't want them snorting a line of 5-MeO thinking it's something like coke. You might also want to put a note in the box to explain to any intruder what's in there, and to talk to you about it.

Long term Storage:

Heat, moisture, light and air will be the main causes of degradation, so the general idea is to protect your 5-MeO-DMT from these factors. Here are some points:

• Sealed and dry: You can keep your 5-MeO-DMT sealed in it's original baggie. Put this baggie inside another baggie, and then inside a sealed container that has some kind of desiccant (drying agent) in it. Silica gel packets that come with some food items are good. Uncooked rice is also actually really good. Good sealed containers include glass canning jars.
• Amber vials: Some people prefer to transfer the baggie contents to small amber vials, like the ones used for essential oils. You can order those kinds of vials off of amazon or other vendors. Don't reuse old vials because they could have contaminants in them. You could put these vials inside another container containing desiccant.
• Freezer: The cold of the freezer will greatly slow down any degradation. Put your sealed containers in the lock box if you have one, and then in the freezer, and just leave them in there for years if you want. You *must* have everything sealed really well from moisture when you put it in the freezer, otherwise you'd be better off leaving it at room temperature.
• Opening your stash: When you need to access your stash DO NOT OPEN IT RIGHT AWAY. Wait until it comes up to room temperature, so just leave it for a few hours to let it warm up. If you open it right away moisture will condense and you'll have moisture issues.
• Antioxidant: Some people like to add an antioxidant in with the desiccant. The idea is that any oxygen in the container will preferably react with the antioxidant rather than end up oxidizing the drug. I'm not sure the best antioxidant, but you could try vitamin C.
• None of the desiccant or antioxidant should ever come into direct contact with the 5-MeO-DMT.
• You can score an A+ on storage by displacing the air in the storage container with a heavy inert gas like xenon. Some extreme wine enthusiasts do this to prevent wine from oxidizing after they've opened it up. A bit excessive if you ask me, but certainly takes it to the next level.

Short term Storage:

For short term storage the same principals as above apply, but you can afford to be a little less careful. Any amount that you will want to use in say the next few months or year, you could keep in short term storage.

• Keep your small amount in a small baggie or amber vial, optionally put that inside a larger baggie sealed with silica gel packets. 
• You might get away with "locking" it in one of those plastic child-proof medicine bottles that prescription meds come in. Better to have it behind an actual lock though.
• Again, label it.
• Store at room temperature, somewhere cool, away from any light, and discreet. 

Notes:

What an amazing time we live in! Never before in history has it been possible for millions of people to access this chemical key to directly unlocking mystical states of consciousness. Only since the early 2000s has this compound been available on the web, and even then it's always been off and on. Before that only rare chemists and their friends had access to it. There are no guarantees as to how long this door will stay open so act wisely, share carefully and with love.

Feel free to comment with any corrections/additions/notes etc. I will continue to come back to edit this for clarity and updates.

Edited November 23, 2018 by outlandish

[peanutspathtotruth]

Wow, that's amazing, thank you so much  

[Leo Gura]

Great!

[FredFred]

Amazing post, keep it up!

[robdl]

I've heard a lot of conflicting advice on long-term storage temperature.  Some say freezer is a must, others say room temperature, away from any vent or heat source, is sufficient.  There doesn't appear to be any actual scientific info available to say one way or the other. Just anecdotal.

Edited November 23, 2018 by robdl

[ZZZZ]

I wasn't aware research chemical companies sold 5-meo-dmt. I am going to have to look into that now

[outlandish]

13 minutes ago, robdl said:

I've heard a lot of conflicting advice on long-term storage temperature.  Some say freezer is a must, others say room temperature, away from any vent or heat source, is sufficient.  There doesn't appear to be any actual scientific info available to say one way or the other. Just anecdotal.

Yes, you're right. It's possible that using the freezer is excessive. But if you want to keep it for decades, it probably is a good strategy because chemical reactions happen more slowly at lower temperatures. The downside of using the freezer is that you risk moisture issues, so if you're not going to be diligent with your procedure, it's better to not bother with the freezer. Thats why for short term storage I don't recommend using the freezer.

[Merch]

12 hours ago, outlandish said:

As many of you know, pure 5-Meo-DMT has become available again from research chemical vendors!

Im a little confused by that. How can you buy 5-Meo-DMT for consumption from research chemical vendors?

[cetus]

19 hours ago, outlandish said:

You can score an A+ on storage by displacing the air in the storage container with a heavy inert gas like xenon. Some extreme wine enthusiasts do this to prevent wine from oxidizing after they've opened it up. A bit excessive if you ask me, but certainly takes it to the next level.

Here's a vacuum storage chamber I had lying around for years. Made by Lumicon. They were once used for hypersensitizing film for astro photography. It comes with a manual vacuum pump and a fitting for adding the desiccant gas of your choice.

Would work perfectly by the discription above.

*Google image but what I have is very similar if not identical.

[outlandish]

@cetus56 That's really cool!

[Reese Saville]

@Merch its not marked for human consumption, thats how

[Consilience]

2 hours ago, Loving Radiance said:

How to store 1p-LSD or LSD in general?

I stored 2 tabs in the fridge in a tiny bag away from any humidity or warmth. Would you suggest to move it to the freezer?

I store mine in the freezer wrapped in cooking sheet, wrapped in tinfoil, in a mason jar with desiccant packs, remove it from the freezer 1-2 hours pre trip, and it works great. Never have had an issue with potency decreasing. If anything my last few LSD trips have felt stronger than normal ?

I do the same thing for mushrooms except they’re just chilling in a plastic baggie and it’s working great as well.

[Loving Radiance]

@Consilience  thanks

[OBEler]

 just get a vacuumizer