I never claimed I was enlightened like you did, old man  If it's not what I read in the 20+ books about enlightenment, then I may as well just pack up and leave. The thing is, everything about enlightenment is idiosyncratic definitions of individual experiences. It's all hearsay. And if time and time again, I've read that enlightenment is about transcending the finite for the infinite and timeless (i.e. your true nature)... don't you think that's a good enough clue that that may be the case? Not to mention that these books have led to several awakenings of my own. I'd rather follow their definitions and pointers than someone who gives the vague definition of enlightenment as "moment to moment living and discernment." That's more vague than Eckhart Tolle's writing. I'm done here, Socrates. Thanks for trying to push my buttons. I'm serious, thanks. Cheers!