Posted August 23, 2019 58 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said: @dimitri it wasn't that. It was that he was not only not teaching certain facets of Truth but he was openly dismissing them as not Truth. Was he? Do you find Ralston to be doing the same? MEDITATIONS TOOLS ActualityOfBeing.com GUIDANCE SESSIONS NONDUALITY LOA My Youtube Channel THE TRUE NATURE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Nahm said: Was he? Do you find Ralston to be doing the same? Ralston understands that duality and non-duality are One...he came full circle. Saw that in a video posted in this forum...Winter was only teaching non-duality and dismissing everything else...including Love....as far as Ralston and Love i started The Book of not Knowing but it was after my awakening so i closed it after first few chapters because he said if you are awake already then you can close this book i didn't read Genius of Being. From what i do know he doesnt speak much about Love aspect if any but i haven't seen him dismiss either...thoughts? Edited August 23, 2019 by Inliytened1 Wisdom. Truth. Love. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 23, 2019 @Inliytened1 If you feel like it, maybe paste the quotes where he did this... 1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said: he was not only not teaching certain facets of Truth but he was openly dismissing them as not Truth. MEDITATIONS TOOLS ActualityOfBeing.com GUIDANCE SESSIONS NONDUALITY LOA My Youtube Channel THE TRUE NATURE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 23, 2019 2 hours ago, zeroISinfinity said: @Key Elements @Nahm So how You live your life as awakened devil. Trust me in my entire life I've never seen anyone awakened not Just That I barely saw only few lets say Selfless Good persons.All devils are You and You are concious of it but at the same time they are not. How You act? Even asked this question to Leo. Do YOU embody all of YOUR True Absolute Nature as personal self. Problem with That is that You Will be ripped apart. Some of us didn't need an awakening to live such self sacrifice life Before and I really do know possible implications of it. Not fun at all. Ofcourse If You have interest in playing small game. This is where wisdom is required. Turn out to be delicate balancing act. I'm looking at what you said here carefully. I think you did make an important point here. And, I just want to respond to it. Our job isn't to prove anything to anyone. My job in this life isn't to prove to you or anyone here that I'm a "selfless person." This isn't anyone's job. How can this be when no one exists, and we only exist in a "realm" (relative truth, whatever you call it). So, if we try to please others, it will become more selfish. Imo, our job in this life is found in this quote, "Aim for the moon. If you miss, you'll be among the stars." This quote can be taken in a shallow way--like get rich and just enjoy your material wealth. Or, it can be taken in a profound way. But, if you want the profound way, you have to figure out what it is for you. We all have different profound journeys in this life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, Nahm said: @Inliytened1 If you feel like it, maybe paste the quotes where he did this... Well, for example, earlier in this thread, I was wondering if he knew what is Riding the Ox Backwards. He just dismissed it, and told me it isn't a test for enlightenment. Instead of just dismissing things, why not have a look into what others are saying about it. There was no communication. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 23, 2019 @Leo Gura “The knowledge ‘I am’ means: consciousness, God, Guru, etc. But you, the Absolute, are not that.” Nisargadatta Maharaj Case closed on this idea that neo-Advaita and Advaita are somehow different. "Not believing your own thoughts, you’re free from the primal desire: the thought that reality should be different than it is. You realise the wordless, the unthinkable. You understand that any mystery is only what you yourself have created. In fact, there’s no mystery. Everything is as clear as day. It’s simple, because there really isn’t anything. There’s only the story appearing now. And not even that.” — Byron Katie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Key Elements said: Well, for example, earlier in this thread, I was wondering if he knew what is Riding the Ox Backwards. He just dismissed it, and told me it isn't a test for enlightenment. Instead of just dismissing things, why not have a look into what others are saying about it. There was no communication. You are understanding of the album, ‘Before These Crowded Streets’, yes? MEDITATIONS TOOLS ActualityOfBeing.com GUIDANCE SESSIONS NONDUALITY LOA My Youtube Channel THE TRUE NATURE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Nahm said: You are understanding of the album, ‘Before These Crowded Streets’, yes? What do you mean? Not getting what you're saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 23, 2019 @Key Elements In the same sense you asked WK about his understanding of the Ox pics, I am asking you if you are understanding of the album ‘Before these crowded streets’. That’s all I’m asking. I don’t mean anything. MEDITATIONS TOOLS ActualityOfBeing.com GUIDANCE SESSIONS NONDUALITY LOA My Youtube Channel THE TRUE NATURE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Nahm said: @Key Elements In the same sense you asked WK about his understanding of the Ox pics, I am asking you if you are understanding of the album ‘Before these crowded streets’. That’s all I’m asking. I don’t mean anything. Let me listen to the song carefully. It sounds nice so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 23, 2019 @Key Elements The whole album is fantastic in my opinion. I think you’ll love it. Listen to it a few times and read the lyrics very carefully. Let me know when you’re done, and I’ll ask you about it to establish your degree of enlightenment. MEDITATIONS TOOLS ActualityOfBeing.com GUIDANCE SESSIONS NONDUALITY LOA My Youtube Channel THE TRUE NATURE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Nahm said: @Key Elements The whole album is fantastic in my opinion. I think you’ll love it. Listen to it a few times and read the lyrics very carefully. Let me know when you’re done, and I’ll ask you about it to establish your degree of enlightenment. Ok, fine. I love music, so I will check it out, but not sure if it's gonna help me. I know I haven't walked my full path, and this journey is to be taken alone. Only you know exactly where you are at. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 23, 2019 @Nahm all I'm saying is, if you want to talk about awakening to enlightenment, there has to be strong communication between two ppl. It's not about dismissing and criticisms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 23, 2019 @Key Elements ?♥️?? It is a great album. You might find correlation with the ox pics. MEDITATIONS TOOLS ActualityOfBeing.com GUIDANCE SESSIONS NONDUALITY LOA My Youtube Channel THE TRUE NATURE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Nahm said: @Key Elements ?♥️?? It is a great album. You might find correlation with the ox pics. I will go and study it when I find time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, Nahm said: Let me know when you’re done, and I’ll ask you about it to establish your degree of enlightenment. you dog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 23, 2019 @Nahm hmm ok.. Standing here The old man said to me "Long before these crowded streets Here stood my dreaming tree" Below it he would sit For hours at a time Now, progress takes away What forever took to find And now, he's falling hard And feels the falling dark How he longs to be Beneath his dreaming tree Conquered fear to climb The moment froze in time When the girl who first he kissed Promised him she'd be his Remembered Mother's words There beneath the tree "No matter what the world You'll always be my baby" Mommy, come quick The dreaming tree has died The air is growing thick A fear he cannot hide The dreaming tree has died Oh, have you no pity? This thing I do I do not deny it All through this smile As crooked as danger I do not deny I know in my mind I would leave you now If I had the strength to I would leave you up To your own devices Will you not talk? Can you take pity? I don't ask for much But won't you speak, please? From the start She knew she had it made Easy up 'til then For sure she'd make the grade Adorers came in hordes To lay down in her way She gave it all she had But treasures slowly faded Now, she's falling hard She feels the fall of dark How did this fall apart? She drinks to fill the dark A smile of sweetest flowers Wilted so and soured Black tears stain the cheeks That once were so admired She thinks when she was small There on her father's knee How he had promised her "You'll always be my baby" "Daddy, come quick The dreaming tree has died I can't find my way home There is no place to hide The dreaming tree has died" Shake't, shake't, shake't, shake't Oh, if I had the strength to I would leave you up To your own devices Will you not talk? Can you take pity? I don't ask for much Won't you speak, please? Too much time Take me back Take me back Take me back Take me back Take me back Save me, please Take me back Looks like a person who had an awakening of some kind, but don't know how to describe it. Or, he wrote a song about it. But, most songs don't try to describe the awakening accurately. It doesn't sound like the deepest awakening. This person doesn't know what to do with the awakening, or how to apply it in life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 23, 2019 On 12/13/2018 at 1:29 PM, Key Elements said: Leo covered the 10 Ox Herding Pics already in one of his video. What does the term 'Riding the Ox Backwards' mean to you? Describe it. On 12/13/2018 at 1:37 PM, winterknight said: I don't think in ox herding terms. There is only liberation On 12/13/2018 at 1:56 PM, Key Elements said: It doesn't matter. It's the same thing. Truth is truth. Everything is interconnected. If you do know the truth, like you said, why do you suppose that it's called Riding the Ox Backwards? What does the word backwards mean to you? What is it pointing at? Surely, if you are enlightened, you will have something to say about that. On 12/13/2018 at 2:09 PM, winterknight said: No, that's not the test of enlightenment. I have no comments about ox herding. If you have any other questions about your path, feel free to ask them. “all I'm saying is, if you want to talk about awakening to enlightenment, there has to be strong communication between two ppl. It's not about dismissing and criticisms.” I agree that is not a ‘strong communication between two people’, but, what part is the dismissing? What part is the criticism? MEDITATIONS TOOLS ActualityOfBeing.com GUIDANCE SESSIONS NONDUALITY LOA My Youtube Channel THE TRUE NATURE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Nahm said: “all I'm saying is, if you want to talk about awakening to enlightenment, there has to be strong communication between two ppl. It's not about dismissing and criticisms.” I agree that is not a ‘strong communication between two people’, but, what part is the dismissing? What part is the criticism? Can he at least check it out? What is it? I mean, why not check it out? Why just overlook it? I thought he said that he's enlightened. If he is, he would have no problem understanding it. My question is, is he saying that he is enlightened without an awakening? I think later on (maybe) he assumed that I don't want enlightenment. I don't know what that supposed to mean. Afterwards, I just let the thread go. I just observed. But also, I had a hunch that this thread wouldn't work out very well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, Key Elements said: Looks like a person who had an awakening of some kind, but don't know how to describe it. Or, he wrote a song about it. But, most songs don't try to describe the awakening accurately. It doesn't sound like the deepest awakening. This person doesn't know what to do with the awakening, or how to apply it in life. Well maybe keep listening to the album, and see what you’re missing. You could also google things like Dave Matthews+charities, Farm Aid, Artists for a new South Africa, the Bama works fund, the green music group, habitat for humanity, kids wish network, live earth, MusiCares, the rape foundation, special Olympics, stand up to cancer...etc. Or just flat out tell us ‘what to do with awakening and how to apply it to life’. MEDITATIONS TOOLS ActualityOfBeing.com GUIDANCE SESSIONS NONDUALITY LOA My Youtube Channel THE TRUE NATURE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
