Posted February 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Dumb Enlightened said: I've had lots of awakening experiences, I know It can't be called an experience, but anyway it's better to describe this way. Sometimes it will be hours without random thoughts appearing, a complete stillness and emptiness, all the questions vanish, because there's no one to ask questions anyway, but eventually, I fall asleep again (the ego comes back). It has happened lots of times already, and I ask you, why do you think it is not permanent yet ? * I don't do any practices anymore. You’ve answered your own question at the end. Experiences are not enough. You need practices to return your mind to them in the waking state over and over. Otherwise your latent tendencies will re-arise. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 20, 2019 14 hours ago, winterknight said: You’ve answered your own question at the end. Experiences are not enough. You need practices to return your mind to them in the waking state over and over. Otherwise your latent tendencies will re-arise. Well, the only practice I do, I don't know if I can call it practice, is trying to be aware of all the thoughts all day long. At the beginning it requires a lot of effort, but sometime during the day the unconscious thoughts stop, and this "state" of being (completely aware) arises, without any effort anymore. But then after some time, I go back to "sleep". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Dumb Enlightened said: Well, the only practice I do, I don't know if I can call it practice, is trying to be aware of all the thoughts all day long. At the beginning it requires a lot of effort, but sometime during the day the unconscious thoughts stop, and this "state" of being (completely aware) arises, without any effort anymore. But then after some time, I go back to "sleep". This is a good start, but you go back to "sleep" because you are not getting to the root of the problem. You need to investigate the "I" that "wakes up" and which "goes back to sleep." So try self-inquiry all day long. And more broadly, follow the path. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 20, 2019 If I keep meditating for one hour a day and take psychedelics from time to time, will I obtain and maintain enlightenment? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, CreamCat said: If I keep meditating for one hour a day and take psychedelics from time to time, will I obtain and maintain enlightenment? No. The question comes from a lack of basic understanding about the meaning of enlightenment. Enlightenment is not really something to be "obtained." You are enlightened already; the goal is simply to remove the obstacles to seeing that. Meditating an hour a day is not enough. Your very nature is meditation: the point is to realize that. To do that, you will have to direct your search for longer and longer periods of time -- you will have to meditate while you are doing every other task in your life. A waking meditation of continuous self-inquiry. You need to educate yourself: follow these links and do a lot of reading. Edited February 20, 2019 by winterknight Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, CreamCat said: If I keep meditating for one hour a day and take psychedelics from time to time, will I obtain and maintain enlightenment? If you go deep enough, you can't not meditate every single second of your life. And that would still not be enlightenment lol Edited February 20, 2019 by Shin God is love Whoever lives in love lives in God And God in them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) the indivisable is being this is where my self-inquiry has led me. at all times you are nothingness itself. its like the whole point of enlightenment is to reliquish your doership or seperate self true or false? i'm not actually looking for an answer, there is nobody who is asking the question. i just wanted to express my excitement and so i hope you can engage in a brace the question with the full might of your being. and express it in which ever way you feel like you can express it, with your being. like the jello lol, it was a good expression of it. you are inside the jello, but you can not see how you are it. Edited February 20, 2019 by Aakash Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 21, 2019 @winterknight I've read your post about being honest with myself...then I started realizing what I really wanted all the time. It may sound weird, but I've always wanted to be successful with picking up girls. After 2 years of trying, I gave up a few years ago. I'm still doubting if that would be a good activity to follow, but I just can't help thinking about it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Aakash said: the indivisable is being this is where my self-inquiry has led me. at all times you are nothingness itself. its like the whole point of enlightenment is to reliquish your doership or seperate self true or false? i'm not actually looking for an answer, there is nobody who is asking the question. i just wanted to express my excitement and so i hope you can engage in a brace the question with the full might of your being. and express it in which ever way you feel like you can express it, with your being. like the jello lol, it was a good expression of it. you are inside the jello, but you can not see how you are it. Great. I would just add that even the word "relinquish" is not quite accurate. There is no one there to relinquish or not relinquish -- that is knowledge. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 21, 2019 54 minutes ago, cena655 said: @winterknight I've read your post about being honest with myself...then I started realizing what I really wanted all the time. It may sound weird, but I've always wanted to be successful with picking up girls. After 2 years of trying, I gave up a few years ago. I'm still doubting if that would be a good activity to follow, but I just can't help thinking about it... Well, I think you should pursue it then. But there might be unconscious psychological obstacles that have prevented you from being successful. I'd recommend getting psychoanalytic therapy (not all therapy is equally good... psychoanalytic therapy is generally speaking the best you can get) -- be prepared to spend a good amount of time and effort if you actually want to get insight into yourself. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 21, 2019 15 hours ago, winterknight said: No. The question comes from a lack of basic understanding about the meaning of enlightenment. Enlightenment is not really something to be "obtained." You are enlightened already; the goal is simply to remove the obstacles to seeing that. Meditating an hour a day is not enough. Your very nature is meditation: the point is to realize that. To do that, you will have to direct your search for longer and longer periods of time -- you will have to meditate while you are doing every other task in your life. A waking meditation of continuous self-inquiry. You need to educate yourself: follow these links and do a lot of reading. Yo, my mind is blown. Meditation is life. Life is meditation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 21, 2019 When I die, could I be brought back to an alternate reality where I can make different choices for my life? For example, I regret breaking up with my ex-girl friend just to look for a better girl friend. If I shot my head, could I be brought back to the point right before I made the stupid decision to break up with her? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 21, 2019 16 hours ago, winterknight said: Meditating an hour a day is not enough. If it's not enough, what is the purpose of dedicated meditation sessions? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 21, 2019 @CreamCat It's for long period of time path. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 21, 2019 8 hours ago, CreamCat said: When I die, could I be brought back to an alternate reality where I can make different choices for my life? For example, I regret breaking up with my ex-girl friend just to look for a better girl friend. If I shot my head, could I be brought back to the point right before I made the stupid decision to break up with her? I don't know. Enlightenment is not about this sort of question. 7 hours ago, CreamCat said: If it's not enough, what is the purpose of dedicated meditation sessions? Training to bring meditation into the rest of life. You can learn to swim in the swimming pool, but then you can take it out into the ocean. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 22, 2019 On 20/02/2019 at 11:02 AM, winterknight said: This is a good start, but you go back to "sleep" because you are not getting to the root of the problem. You need to investigate the "I" that "wakes up" and which "goes back to sleep." So try self-inquiry all day long. And more broadly, follow the path. Got it, the I who thinks can wake up is a thought, there's no I thinking the thought there's just the thought itself, the thought comes from nowhere, so this I who wants to wake up appears when the thought appears, without the thought there's no one to wake up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 22, 2019 43 minutes ago, Dumb Enlightened said: Got it, the I who thinks can wake up is a thought, there's no I thinking the thought there's just the thought itself, the thought comes from nowhere, so this I who wants to wake up appears when the thought appears, without the thought there's no one to wake up Yes, that's a good way of putting it into words, but also notice -- is there something constant between when the thought arises and when it doesn't? The key is seeing the truth in your own experience -- and you will know when you see it because it will bring Peace. To see the truth in your own experience, if you ever feel disturbance, feel where the "I" is coming from -- hold on to it. If it disappears in a peaceful nothing, stay in that. But if you "lose it," again examine what lost it... again hold on to the sense of the "I"... that will lead you back to that Peace. Do it over and over and over again until it sticks. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 22, 2019 3 hours ago, winterknight said: Yes, that's a good way of putting it into words, but also notice -- is there something constant between when the thought arises and when it doesn't? The key is seeing the truth in your own experience -- and you will know when you see it because it will bring Peace. To see the truth in your own experience, if you ever feel disturbance, feel where the "I" is coming from -- hold on to it. If it disappears in a peaceful nothing, stay in that. But if you "lose it," again examine what lost it... again hold on to the sense of the "I"... that will lead you back to that Peace. Do it over and over and over again until it sticks. Thank you for the help !!! It was really helpful Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 22, 2019 @winterknight If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting to find this place where we feel we are located and to stay with that feeling. I feel like I'm located in the forehead. When I meditate on that feeling I notice that this feeling of "I" is an object. It's not the source. So then I become curious of the thing that's aware. But the source of awareness doesn't seem to have any location. That sense of "I" is the closest I seem to be able to get to the source. What are your thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) Why should you care about enlightenment in the first place? If it is to get rid of lifts problems as i have heard someone say it does why not just accept that life is difficult instead? “Life is difficult. This is a great truth, one of the greatest truths. It is a great truth because once we truly see this truth, we transcend it. Once we truly know that life is difficult-once we truly understand and accept it-then life is no longer difficult. Because once it is accepted, the fact that life is difficult no longer matters.” scott peck If it is for satisfaction why not just radical acceptance instead? If its for truth can't you just use science like differential analysis and scientific method or ask someone who is already enlightened? Also what is enlightenment? Edited February 22, 2019 by BjarkeT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
