Posted December 9, 2018 @winterknight That feeling has disappeared. Is enlightenment supposed to feel any particular way? Is it supposed to be grandiose? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, CreamCat said: How do you enjoy sex as an enlightened person? Just fine, but there isn't the same craving associated with it. 2 minutes ago, FoxFoxFox said: @winterknight That feeling has disappeared. Is enlightenment supposed to feel any particular way? Is it supposed to be grandiose? It's not grandiose, but it is beyond doubt. But if you're at peace, just drop the whole idea of enlightenment. You're at peace. What else do you need? Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) @winterknight Weird. Nothing at all. Well i guess i would like peace for the world. You are right. This is without a doubt enlightenment. But really there is energy all over the body, inside, like electric fire. Quite evidently its a reflection of the Self in this body. Where to take this? Edited December 9, 2018 by FoxFoxFox Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, winterknight said: If there's no illusion of control and no illusion of self, who is wondering where you are on this journey? It's GeoLura wondering. He isn't so well adjusted to this yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, FoxFoxFox said: @winterknight Weird. Nothing at all. Well i guess i would like peace for the world. You are right. This is without a doubt enlightenment. But really there is energy all over the body, inside, like electric fire. Quite evidently its a reflection of the Self in this body. Where to take this? "You are right. This is without a doubt enlightenment." --> that's not what I said. I said enlightenment is "beyond doubt," meaning that when you are there you will know it without a doubt. "Where to take this?" --> who has this question? 1 minute ago, GeoLura said: It's GeoLura wondering. He isn't so well adjusted to this yet. Well tell GeoLura to align his actions with his emotions & desires and to engage in systematic self-inquiry. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2018 @winterknight Well how to put this then. If there is doubt, then that's the mind's problem. It's just bodies talking to each other isn't it? Has this all been a movie? How does nothingness talk? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, FoxFoxFox said: @winterknight Well how to put this then. If there is doubt, then that's the mind's problem. It's just bodies talking to each other isn't it? Has this all been a movie? How does nothingness talk? Nothingness doesn't have to worry about these questions, does it? Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2018 @winterknight It really doesn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, winterknight said: Well tell GeoLura to align his actions with his emotions & desires and to engage in systematic self-inquiry. I've done Ramana Maharshi's self-inquiry for 4 years and have found it to be the most effective combined with SDS. I'd also recommend looking into your psychology. That's where 90% or more of the work usually is -- figuring out psychological obstacles. I highly recommend getting psychodynamic psychotherapy -- or even psychoanalysis if you're willing to spare the time. If you want a good analyst, PM me and I will help you find one. A good analyst is a great guru to have. This is something i'm doing right now. It's just hard to find good therapists where i live. Finally, the game is actually first and foremost figuring out your own desire. Therapy, expressive art, and everything else has to be oriented around that. And it is your own desire that will lead you to the Truth. I make music and fractal art as an hobby rn and it's something i gravitated towards naturally after my awakening. Those are something i see as my life purpose. But anyway. thanks for replying, peace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, GeoLura said: I've done Ramana Maharshi's self-inquiry for 4 years and have found it to be the most effective combined with SDS. I'd also recommend looking into your psychology. That's where 90% or more of the work usually is -- figuring out psychological obstacles. I highly recommend getting psychodynamic psychotherapy -- or even psychoanalysis if you're willing to spare the time. If you want a good analyst, PM me and I will help you find one. A good analyst is a great guru to have. This is something i'm doing right now. It's just hard to find good therapists where i live. Finally, the game is actually first and foremost figuring out your own desire. Therapy, expressive art, and everything else has to be oriented around that. And it is your own desire that will lead you to the Truth. I make music and fractal art as an hobby rn and it's something i gravitated towards naturally after my awakening. Those are something i see as my life purpose. But anyway. thanks for replying, peace. No prob. Sounds like you're making progress. Keep going. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2018 This is what Buddha Shakyamuni said about how to realize Enlightenment. "These seven factors of enlightenment, bhante (Ven. Sir), are well expounded and are cultivated and fully developed by the Blessed One. They conduce to perfect understanding, to full realization and to Nibbana. What are the seven? i. "Mindfulness, the factor of enlightenment, bhante, is well expounded by the Blessed One, and is cultivated and fully developed by the Blessed One. It conduces to perfect understanding, to full realization and to Nibbana. ii. "Investigation of the Dhamma, the factor of enlightenment, bhante, is well expounded by the Blessed One and is cultivated and fully developed by the Blessed One. It conduces to perfect understanding, to full realization and to Nibbana. iii. "Persevering effort, the factor of enlightenment, bhante, is well expounded by the Blessed One and is cultivated and fully developed by the Blessed One. It conduces to perfect understanding, to full realization and to Nibbana. iv. "Rapture, the factor of enlightenment, bhante, is well expounded by the Blessed One and is cultivated and fully developed by the Blessed One. It conduces to perfect understanding, to full realization and to Nibbana. v. "Calm, the factor of enlightenment, bhante, is well expounded by the Blessed One and is cultivated and fully developed by the Blessed One. It conduces to perfect understanding, to full realization and to Nibbana. vi. "Concentration, the factor of enlightenment, bhante, is well expounded by the Blessed One and is cultivated and fully developed by the Blessed One. It conduces to perfect understanding, to full realization and to Nibbana. vii. "Equanimity, the factor of enlightenment, bhante, is well expounded by the Blessed One, and is cultivated and fully developed by the Blessed One. It conduces to perfect understanding, to full realization and to Nibbana. These seven factors of enlightenment, bhante, are well expounded and cultivated and fully developed by the Blessed One. They conduce to perfect understanding, to full realization and to Nibbana." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2018 @winterknight Is it wrong to do self inquiry while i socialise or working something ? There was few realisations that what i am is not concept or object but i feel that is not it ... Thank you for your help ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, SriBhagwanYogi said: @winterknight Is it wrong to do self inquiry while i socialise or working something ? There was few realisations that what i am is not concept or object but i feel that is not it ... Thank you for your help ! No, it is not wrong. Do self-inquiry at all times. Yes, you are not concept or object. So who is that "you" who is not those things? Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2018 @winterknight hello. I started to get on the spiritual path due to a change of the self that I was years ago. This happened due to many obssessive thoughts and many mental vows that I made with myself that changed the whole person that I was. I sense that I'm too much in my head I started to follow the path of being more in my body, feeling the body cause I'm much in my head all the time and when I'm in my body I can work better in the world. I started to make body scan meditations and focused breathing. But after seeing videos I saw that instead of this mindfullness practices the one that can show me the true self is non-duality meditation. For someone that I so much in his head just like me, can't make connections with anyone, has a good job but still thinks that is inferior comparing to others what is the best pratice or is a way that this all time body awareness can led me to discover the true self? Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2018 30 minutes ago, Miguel Oliveira said: @winterknight hello. I started to get on the spiritual path due to a change of the self that I was years ago. This happened due to many obssessive thoughts and many mental vows that I made with myself that changed the whole person that I was. I sense that I'm too much in my head I started to follow the path of being more in my body, feeling the body cause I'm much in my head all the time and when I'm in my body I can work better in the world. I started to make body scan meditations and focused breathing. But after seeing videos I saw that instead of this mindfullness practices the one that can show me the true self is non-duality meditation. For someone that I so much in his head just like me, can't make connections with anyone, has a good job but still thinks that is inferior comparing to others what is the best pratice or is a way that this all time body awareness can led me to discover the true self? Thanks. It sounds like for you there is psychological work to be done. That is, anyhow, most of the path. I'd recommend a combination of psychoanalytic therapy and Ramana Maharshi's self-inquiry, not body awareness. 28 minutes ago, Mikael89 said: @winterknight Would you say that enlightenment is radical from the perspective of the ego? What do you mean by radical? Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2018 30 minutes ago, Mikael89 said: @winterknight Well.. Like unbelievable, incredible, unimaginable. Like.. "OOOOOMMMGGGG!" Something breathtaking. That is.. if the ego even could say anything about it. Leo use to say it is like that. That you fall down on knees and start weeping like a little baby and say "OMG" over and over again and you can barely believe it, etc. Best not to have those kinds of expectations about it. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2018 @winterknight What happens after the body dies? Will you remain as the true self forever or will you reincarnate to another ego and another body? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2018 @Amanaki yeah he is from advaita vedanta, or Hinduism. Which is of course something totally different than Buddhism. Hinduists or advaita vedanta followers still cling to their soul (Atman) and consciousness (Brahman) as being something absolute. They don't have the insight into the dependent origin or reality. They believe that Brahman is the cause of everything. That is what they call being enlightened. Others might call it Solipsism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Emanyalpsid said: @Amanaki yeah he is from advaita vedanta, or Hinduism. Which is of course something totally different than Buddhism. Hinduists or advaita vedanta followers still cling to their soul (Atman) and consciousness (Brahman) as being something absolute. They don't have the insight into the dependent origin or reality. They believe that Brahman is the cause of everything. That is what they call being enlightened. Others might call it Solipsism. Thank you for explaining this to me as a buddhist i have not studied hinduism that much Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, Amanaki said: Thank you for explaining this to me as a buddhist i have not studied hinduism that much Not many Buddhists here to my experience. So you are more than welcome. Most people here seem to gain input from hinduists / advaita vedanta streams. Although they seem to mix concepts and teachings from Buddhism with them, maybe thinking they point to the same.. Makes it hard to communicate with them as you are basically talking to a different world. They are forming a belief towards absolute consciousness and in Buddhism you are thought to look through these as they come out of ignorance. Not much to gain here for a searching Buddhist. How far are you on the path? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites