Posted November 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, winterknight said: Right, I know what you're saying, but the consciousness that you know as consciousness is only the reflection of the real consciousness. When that real consciousness is recognized, then the consciousness that you think you know right now -- it will become clear that it doesn't make sense to call it "your consciousness." I say it's mine consciousness because I extend it to others and conclude the brain to be the mechanism of Atman. I don't doubt that you can reduce the brain activity of a person like with psychedelics for Brahman to be realized. If I ignore the brain science, my intelligence and just see you as an unconscious zombie, then there's no my consciousness. There's just Atman. But then there's no point of Atman, there's just Brahman. As Atman is about multiple atman's like the Buddha, Maharshi, you... he... she. Her. It doesn't make sense to me that there isn't Atman. As one would have to be quite ignorant/skeptical to ignore brain science and the senses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) Also when Jesus was nailed to the cross you think he was suffering? No. He remained in total love and compassion to all the beings. When they were nailing him he was not a bit angry, frustrated, or any negative emotion.. He said I forgive.you all. And I love you all. That's why we hold him an awakened being. A devine being And it's not a yogic discipline it's what every authentic sage can do. Edited November 9, 2018 by Salvijus You cannot love what you need. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Salvijus said: Also when Jesus was nailed to the cross you think he was suffering? No. He remained in total love and compassion to all the beings. When they were nailing him he was not a bit angry, frustrated, or any negative emotion.. He said I forgive.you all. And I love you all. That's true being. You're making assumptions, if it wasn't in your direct experience then a genuine answer would be you do not know. Jesus probably was suffering pain, he probably was groaning and moaning, but he valued truth over his life. Many people have sacraficed themselves in painful ways in the name of religion or their beliefs, people have even set themselves on fire and burned alive. PS, apparently Jesus was very angry and whipped people out a of temple for gambling, etc, so I've heard Edited November 9, 2018 by alankrillin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 10, 2018 29 minutes ago, Salvijus said: Also when Jesus was nailed to the cross you think he was suffering? No. He remained in total love and compassion to all the beings. When they were nailing him he was not a bit angry, frustrated, or any negative emotion.. He said I forgive.you all. And I love you all. That's why we hold him an awakened being. A devine being And it's not a yogic discipline it's what every authentic sage can do. "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46 Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 10, 2018 1 hour ago, winterknight said: Because it didn't seem like a serious question... but ok, ask the question to which you truly want to know the answer. The question I want to ask you is : "What question should I ask you?" Hark ye yet again — the little lower layer. All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks. But in each event — in the living act, the undoubted deed — there, some unknown but still reasoning thing puts forth the mouldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If man will strike, strike through the mask! How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall? To me, the white whale is that wall, shoved near to me. Sometimes I think there's naught beyond. But 'tis enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 10, 2018 @winterknight btw I love the fact that you're doing this. It's the kind of thing you can do as a joke. Hark ye yet again — the little lower layer. All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks. But in each event — in the living act, the undoubted deed — there, some unknown but still reasoning thing puts forth the mouldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If man will strike, strike through the mask! How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall? To me, the white whale is that wall, shoved near to me. Sometimes I think there's naught beyond. But 'tis enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, lmfao said: The question I want to ask you is : "What question should I ask you?" That depends entirely on what you want to know apart from "what question should I ask you?" Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 10, 2018 @winterknight @winterknight 12 minutes ago, winterknight said: That depends entirely on what you want to know apart from "what question should I ask you?" Is what I want to know the same as what I should know? Hark ye yet again — the little lower layer. All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks. But in each event — in the living act, the undoubted deed — there, some unknown but still reasoning thing puts forth the mouldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If man will strike, strike through the mask! How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall? To me, the white whale is that wall, shoved near to me. Sometimes I think there's naught beyond. But 'tis enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, lmfao said: @winterknight @winterknight Is what I want to know the same as what I should know? That depends on various definitions of want and should. But I can tell you that what it is that you want to know -- that for sure is something you should know. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 10, 2018 @winterknight Have psychedelics been part of your spiritual path? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said: @winterknight Have psychedelics been part of your spiritual path? That's an interesting question. Yes and no. I certainly have had some powerful and memorable psychedelic experiences which I would call spiritual. But ultimately these experiences are just experiences, adjuncts. They are magical and cool side roads, and shed insight on certain questions. But they do not form part of my core path. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 10, 2018 @Serotoninluv I have a question for you. When a character in a movie takes a psychedelic, and the movie starts to portray visions, weird abstract patterns, and all sorts of experiences and whacky stuff, does it effect the actual screen? Or is the screen beyond the it. Is it not just more delusion and maya on the screen? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 10, 2018 Just now, EvilAngel said: Am I you? Not quite. The "I" that is the opposite of "you" -- both of these are false names. There is an I which has no opposite. That's the truth. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 10, 2018 (edited) Am I? Edited November 10, 2018 by EvilAngel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, EvilAngel said: Am I? Yes. But possibly not in the way that you think you are. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 10, 2018 @alankrillin Rupert Spira uses screen analogies a lot, so I am influenced by that. The idea is that the pixels and screen are one. The pixels modulate and create images that misinterpreted as real. Awakening is the realization of the screen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, winterknight said: Yes. But possibly not in the way that you think you are. ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 10, 2018 @winterknight Do paranormal phenomena exist? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 10, 2018 Just now, Serotoninluv said: @winterknight Do paranormal phenomena exist? If by paranormal phenomena you mean phenomena beyond what current science understands, or that is beyond the current scientific framework, yes, without a doubt. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
