Aren’t psychedelics Substance of Abuse and Threat for our Health !

[Ingit]

To be real i have never tried Psychedelics  or any substance of absue, I consider these substance as bad for one’s health, I just keep away from people who indulges in such activity and think them as bad addictors. How come these substances are used in Spirituality and benifits.... Aren’t people trying to use them as a purpose of avoiding their reality??? ?

[Ingit]

@Joseph Maynor ok cool.... but why do you need them.... Which one is safe, I asked my Anesthesia  Teacher about Ketamine and she told me its safe but asked me why would I need that... I have heard about Marijuana too

[Ingit]

@Joseph Maynor I would not question you more..... but a last one- Did you call tge trip you experience after taking pschedelic a reality, Since all we expeeiwnxw in the teip is mere a Hallucination?

[Setty]

Your mind works in a way that is the most beneficial for your survival. That means it creates a lot of persistent illusions in your life that you live in your whole life and you call that a reality but it is not reality it is very limited form of it. Psychedelics offer you the ability to change theprogramming of the mind and see reality under different point of view. The mistake people that haven't tried psychedelics make is that they think that this different point of view is just some minor thing. Some anecdote you can tell your friends and that's that. But it can be life changing. Actually it is technically impossible to tell how much world crushing it can be. Think something along the lines of combination between Neo taking the red pill in Matrix and Truman from Truman show realizing his whole life was just a charade.

And you are right they can be very bad for your psychological health because you can see too many things you are not prepared to face. And if you are not careful you will create a lot of delusions about what you saw.

[Ingit]

@Setty should I try?

[Setty]

@Ingit Wel it is a unique experience. And most of the time the experience doesn't involve world crushing elements. That happens mostly if you aim for it or if you take too big of a dose.  If you are going to do it do it focus on safety. Luckily psychedelics are safe for your psychical healthso you don't have to worry about that. But read some articles about it. To make sure you mental health is safe do them in a good and friendly enviroment with a trip sitter you trust. And read some trip reports so you know what to expect. There is a lot of them on this forum. 

If you are interested in the spiritual aspect of it then combine those substances with self inquiry or meditation. Leo made a great guide on self inquiry in the link below. If you do these exercises while tripping it is very likely you get the mystical experience everyone here is talking about.

 

[Setty]

@Joseph Maynor Yeah it is very easy trap to fall into. You get the glimpse of the absolute but your mind immediately makes up something out of it and you start to believe your conception of it is the real deal. 

[Ingit]

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[Hellspeed]

You are judging from a brainwashed perspective. 

[Javfly33]

4 hours ago, Ingit said:

To be real i have never tried Psychedelics  or any substance of absue, I consider these substance as bad for one’s health, I just keep away from people who indulges in such activity and think them as bad addictors. How come these substances are used in Spirituality and benifits.... Aren’t people trying to use them as a purpose of avoiding their reality??? ?

Pychedelics can be used to avoid "reality" too but trust me that the one responsible who avoids most of reality is your ego and your mental patterns, precisely psychedelics can erase for some hours this patterns, that´s why they can help. Although of course in the process of this, one can misuse psychedelics too and dont achieve nothing from them, but in general, they are far from being a common substance of abuse. 

[Nahm]

2 hours ago, Hellspeed said:

You are judging from a brainwashed perspective. 

@Ingit

Nailed it. It’s not “your” fault, but it’s true. So far. It’s shocking how much overthinking this all too common brainwashing entails. 

[Matt8800]

@Ingit Who says they're "bad" and what evidence would you use to support the claim that they bring about negative consequences?

Nietzsche talked about master morality and slave morality. One of the hallmarks of slave morality is that one is told what to think is "bad" or "good" by the culture they grow up in without any basis for the claims. 

When people take psychedelics, it opens their mind and they think for themselves. Cultural and religious conditioning lose their power. Why would your society want to get rid of that?

[i am I AM]

Natural, still living (fresh) plants are the way to become awareness, at least temporarily. I have no idea whether it can lead to permanent enlightenment.

Surrendering has been done without use of psychedelics.

[Ingit]

9 hours ago, Matt8800 said:

@Ingit Who says they're "bad" and what evidence would you use to support the claim that they bring about negative consequences?

Nietzsche talked about master morality and slave morality. One of the hallmarks of slave morality is that one is told what to think is "bad" or "good" by the culture they grow up in without any basis for the claims. 

When people take psychedelics, it opens their mind and they think for themselves. Cultural and religious conditioning lose their power. Why would your society want to get rid of that?

I have seen most of the people with Motor disturbances from chronic substance abuse!!!! That is why I mentioned it !!!! 

 

10 hours ago, Nahm said:

@Ingit

Nailed it. It’s not “your” fault, but it’s true. So far. It’s shocking how much overthinking this all too common brainwashing entails. 

Yep OK ? 

[i am I AM]

@Ingit What natural psychedelics cause motor disturbance?

A few can cause the heart to work too hard, but that's  if you take a lot more than what is required for the insights and awareness.

[Ingit]

9 hours ago, i am I AM said:

@Ingit What natural psychedelics cause motor disturbance?

A few can cause the heart to work too hard, but that's  if you take a lot more than what is required for the insights and awareness.

Ganja ! Cocaine !

[Flammable]

1 hour ago, Ingit said:

Ganja ! Cocaine !

Those are not psychedelics as far as I am aware, but I may be wrong.

I feel like you might be conflating psychedelics and drugs in one category. Just intuition, don't take my words as truth.

Edited November 5, 2018 by Flammable

[peanutspathtotruth]

@Ingit 
Do you actually know what psychedelics are? No judgement involved in this question. Really make sure you know what they are.
What is a "substance of abuse" to you? How do you differentiate between a substance that is "bad" in your view and what is not bad?
What about sugar or alcohol or many toxins from non-organic foods (yes even fruits and vegetables)? Do you consume these? Do you KNOW what you are consuming and what it can lead to? What is a drug to you? Is it a "substance of abuse" just by definition? Do you see all legally forbidden substances as dangerous?

Moreover, did you actually research the whole field of psychedelics without the bias of your ideas? For example, did you watch Leo's videos about how to do psychedelics and the "Correcting the Stigma" series? Those are a good starting point to get a sense of context for how you view these substances.

If you "should or shouldn't" try them highly depends on your understanding of what psychedelics actually are and why we use them for consciousness exploration. Really dive in if you are interested, you will find your own answers only then.

And, as @Shiva said -> Before you can make any judgement, you have to experience them.