Why we are looking for constant self?

[hikmatshiraliyev]

why self can not change? 

[Joseph Maynor]

What is it for something to change?  What amounts to change?  What amounts to no change?  Is there some part of reality that doesn’t change?  What is that?  Can you spot that in your own reality?  What could that be?  You gotta look at your own reality very carefully.  I call this self-observation work.  For Enlightenment, you wanna love doing self-observation all the time. It’s the single best skill you can have.

Edited October 30, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[hikmatshiraliyev]

you say nothing different. 

body changes , mind, thoughts change. and we say that "they can not be me." why? why we are looking for something constant?

[How to be wise]

@hikmatshiraliyev I advise you not to use the question ‘who am I’ in your self inquiry, as it is surprisingly difficult to become enlightened that way. Find another question to reach enlightenment, eg what is the nature of reality, what is the substance of reality.

 

[Shin]

12 minutes ago, hikmatshiraliyev said:

you say nothing different. 

body changes , mind, thoughts change. and we say that "they can not be me." why? why we are looking for something constant?

Because you don't know what you are, and everything you've experienced so far is temporary.

Deep down you know you can't be something that change, hence the seeking.

Everybody does this, by seeking completion in relationships/sex/money/fame/raw pleasure/religion/science/sport ...

Then some people go directly to the source when they are fed up by those ineffective ways to be happy.

Consider yourself lucky lol

 

[Shadowraix]

24 minutes ago, hikmatshiraliyev said:

body changes , mind, thoughts change. and we say that "they can not be me." why? why we are looking for something constant?

What is change?

If everything is fundamentally the same, is it really change? Is it perhaps just our perspective is only seeing one side of the coin and it flips?

[Hellspeed]

There is no constant self. As creatures, we constantly evolve to a more complex stage every moment or not if we don't follow the own Breath. 

[Faceless]

There is a realm of timelessness where there is no beginning or end, (sequential time), or a series of consecutive momentary happenings. This is not merely an intellectual/conceptualizatual invention of thought, (what thought thinks about /contemplates about), but can be seen direct as phenomenon, or as what can be considered the ending of experience.  

 

This “place” or realm comes about when all psychological reaction/responses of thought cease to be activated, as in a form of resistance to the inevitable change of “evolutionary process” (dynamic movement of life or WHAT IS). This seems to be an instinctual/conditioned response to environmental conditions as they arise in there dynamic nature. “The thinker” seems to respond to environmental obstacles, (control), as that is a conditioned response of the organism/environment as a function.

 

But psychologically, self/ego resists the unpredictable and impermanent nature of change and interprets that as being unsafe or not a secure situation/position for “self” to be in. That self then seems to cling to its self, which is its content,(knowledge, experience, memory) or (thought/time). This is the attempt to establish for itself what seems to be secure or permanent. 

 

This sense of time/thought is the result of reaction as the self/ego searching for certainty/permanence or security. Seems to do so by using thought/time as a measure to bring about a capacity to anticaipate/predict various environmental challenges. This seems to be a type of defensive measure, as in the function of the mechanism as the intellect. Seems to do this by identifying with its content(thought), which is that which is familiar, as in the response of memory. Memory which is of the “past” is then modified into or onto the “present”/now, and then projects a moment of time as “future”. 

 

This seems to establish and perpetuate the illusion of time as having that beginning and end continuity/progression. This movement of psychological/mechanical reaction seems to reinforce/nourish the illusion of there being a continual process of cause and effect (evanescent like effect), as in a series of short lived moments as starting and ending one after another. 

 

Awareness to this process can and may dissolve and bring about a cessation to that illusion of time-thought movement and bring about that timeless “realm” that doesn’t change, which means No more beginning and end as that which is referred too as change in this very thread. 

 

This is not a cultivated result. Not a skill. It does not come about by any activity of practice/routine/effort. As cultivation of a skill imply conditioned action/reaction and are tacit as this reactionary instinctual mechanism of thought-time(self). That continual refinement of skill is actually what seems to establish that very illusion or time in itself. Cultivation is implicit in time-thought itself and only sustains that time bound propulsion. 

 

As one resides in this headless-immeasurable realm there is direct perception that the timeless, or (unlimited), is not separate from time,(the limited), but the timeless contains, if i can use that word, time within it. 

 

As directly observed, (as in ‘actually’ observed) in and as this headless/immeasurable realm, that which is timeless is the ground. Time seems to be simply a manifestation or process(limited energy), that arises within that emptiness/nothingness,(infinite energy). 

 

As this emptiness extends further and further into the this void, this limited energy as time/thought seems no less intelligent/infinite than the unlimited energy of the unlimited. 

 

It can be seen first hand that time/change is simply an aspect of the unlimited. 

 

[Preetom]

@Faceless Beautiful! Good to see you back.

In the beginning, you mentioned that the self/ego resists the change of the environment which is inherently impermanent.

Would you say that this very process of resisting the change of environment is also part of the totality of Environment?

It means that the whole dilemma starts the moment when a fictitious identity called self/ego is formed around the process of resisting environment; an attempt to separate itself from the environment without realizing that what it(self/ego) is resisting, is what it is inside of!

 

Edited November 1, 2018 by Preetom

[tecladocasio]

@hikmatshiraliyev I don't know , why you search for something at all ?