Life DOES have an objective meaning

[Javfly33]

You are too lost in the mind. Meaning is only meaninful inside the mind. Maybe try some meditation practice and get out of the monkey-mind loop? It won´t get you anywhere, friend. 

[danton]

@Roman Edouard Life ultimately has the meaning you give it.

[lmfao]

@Roman Edouard Putting away the question of whether life has meaning or not for a second, think of a random question like " what is the meaning of the existence of cars?". There are many facts you can say about cars and about their history but in my mind the obscurity in answering this question deepens by rephrasing the question as "What is meant by the existence of cars?". Like wtf are you supposed to say to that. Meant by whom? Meant by what? Meant by (absolute infinity)/(God)? 

What is the meaning behind our existence as biological organisms? Well we may be able to say that reproduction has allowed for the existence of biological life over a time spans far longer in duration than that a single life time. Reproduction is necessary for life to continue to exist. But what is the meaning of life? This is completely subjective. It doesn't matter how many facts I accumulate about life, a question regarding meaning asks you to explore the very centre of being and existence. But when we go that far deep into reality, concepts are useless. Reality is (*insert massive gong noise*) . 

[lmfao]

@Roman Edouard 

1 hour ago, Roman Edouard said:

But It can't just exist for the sake of it. If it didn't have a reason to exist then why does it exist?

This is a completely baseless assumption you've made. There is no "why" in reality, so your question is meaningless.

Edited October 25, 2018 by lmfao

[Strikr]

"will of power".

nature is will of power, if not, you'll ALL kill yourself, but you don't, did you ask why you not all kill yourself ? humm.

Because you're all full of shit ! You deny your own will.

 

because their is still a hint of meaning inside you, even the meaning of being a sitted piece of lazy monk.

do not deny your own will.

follow it

 

some weak power are just tapping stupid meaningless shit on a forum and call that "truth" because if their painting wasn't true, they would just have lost all their last piece of meaning.

 

every truth is real, being sit or dominate the world, it doesn't fucking matter. We are ART force.

some painting are abstract shit without meaning, they just have sense for the poor artist that conceive them, and if they stop looking at it, what could happen, they don't dare to know this. They are poor artist clinging on what they call "no ego", a form of ego fiction.

[Leo Gura]

A common stage Orange idea due to the popularity of Darwinism, but it is wrong.

There is no meaning in reproduction.

[cetus]

3 hours ago, Roman Edouard said:

If it didn't have a reason to exist then why does it exist?

@Roman Edouard  Can you see the paradox here between reality and the mind that relentlessly demands answers for it's own satisfaction?

Existance has no questions or reasons why. But yet it exists just fine without.  

 

[Strikr]

2 minutes ago, cetus56 said:

@Roman Edouard  Can you see the paradox here between reality and the mind that relentlessly demands answers for it's own satisfaction?

Existance has no questions or reasons why. But yet it exists just fine without.  

 

the paradox is why you all keep writting mindless shit on a forum if nothing has a meaning.

you could use your dream time for a better good time, like wanking all days on porn star.

Because what fucking matter ? not suffering matter ? LOL suffering is good, it's great, I LOVE IT. <3

[Jack River]

5 minutes ago, cetus56 said:

@Roman Edouard  Can you see the paradox here between reality and the mind that relentlessly demands answers for it's own satisfaction?

Existance has no questions or reasons why. But yet it exists just fine without.  

 

An example of self loosing track that it is only a function and not independent of thought itself. Thought has gone way beyond its limit and doesn’t see that. 

[Strikr]

1 minute ago, Jack River said:

An example of self loosing track that it is only a function and not independent of thought itself. Thought has gone way beyond its limit and doesn’t see that. 

why thought is stupid against direct experience ? what makes a thought more meaningless than a direct experience ?

[Jack River]

6 minutes ago, Strikr said:

why thought is stupid against direct experience ? what makes a thought more meaningless than a direct experience ?

Looks like you got some stuff to go into brah. One thing important is to understand what limits thinking. Just by watching your reactions is a good way to start. 

Edited October 25, 2018 by Jack River

[Forestluv]

7 minutes ago, Strikr said:

the paradox is why you all keep writing mindless shit on a forum if nothing has a meaning.

Why play sports if it doesn't have meaning? Why learn if it doesn't have meaning? Why climb mount Kilimanjaro if it doesn't have meaning?

Why does a bird soar through the sky? Why does a polar bear cuddle her cubs?

It is the magnificence of life.

[RichardY]

Without the conception of Good & Evil, would meaning even be possible?

[SoonHei]

2 hours ago, danton said:

@Roman Edouard Life ultimately has the meaning you give it.

this right here  

 

/thread

[Strikr]

 

13 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Why play sports if it doesn't have meaning? Why learn if it doesn't have meaning? Why climb mount Kilimanjaro if it doesn't have meaning?

Why does a bird soar through the sky? Why does a polar bear cuddle her cubs?

It is the magnificence of life.

Yep & Eagle are not pigeon, do you all get that aswell ?

[i am I AM]

@Strikr Yes, but if you were even shown the meaning of life, in direct experience,  unmistakably...do you think you would recognize?

[Forestluv]

1 hour ago, Strikr said:

 

Yep & Eagle are not pigeon, do you all get that as well ?

Ok. . . and a pigeon expresses meaningless homing behavior. . . 

[Strikr]

I wasn't mean by that, humans are not all the same that's all. Every animals is right place.

You cannot advice an eagle to be a pigeon, or a pigeon to be an eagle. That's your one biggest delusion everyone here.

You cannot change people.

People change themself.

but that's maybe "my own truth", your's is to guide and believe you can, maybe you do. who knows, not me indeed.

 

 if you feel that you have to guide people this way, may be it

why someone else couln't do it in ways you cannot comprehend ?

but I think I m battling against a part of my own dream 

I know where is my road and shouldn't misscarry my ship in fairy land,

peace.

 

 

Edited October 25, 2018 by Strikr

[mochafrap]

I think this

6 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

Necessary and meaning are generally used differently. 

Necessary is a more objective term than meaning. You are *adding* something extra with the term meaning.

For example: Electricity is necessary for a movie to continue playing. Is electricity the meaning of the movie?

is a very helpful post. It may also be worth noting that maybe some components of life have a purpose of reproduction - like maybe it is the purpose of certain hormones to make us feel the need to reproduce. It might even be argued that the biological purpose of being alive is to reproduce. But purpose is different than meaning, biological stuff is its own part of existence but can't be proven to be all of existence, and there are different types of meaning anyway.

 

9 hours ago, Roman Edouard said:

You'll still have a very strong desire to reproduce. 

What I'm about to say is admittedly a bit of a stretch but has potential: Society is so obsessed with reproduction that we can't even tell if the desire to reproduce would be so strong without everyone always yelling "GROW UP HAVE BABIES". If that pressure were taken away, would the desire you talk about still exist with the same strength? We don't know, so if you're using this to argue that meaning = reproduction, it gets to be a shaky argument.

 

You're clearly thinking about all this which is a good thing imo! When you're exploring meanings and purposes, I would advise to be careful and slow with it. Some of it gets "deep" and can be freaky, so just make sure not to bite off too much at once!
 

Finally, try to figure out if you have some bias against people who don't want to reproduce (aka who don't want kids) or if you have a bias that we are supposed to have kids, morally or whatever. There are a large amount of Americans who stigmatize women and men without children, and if you have that bias, it will probably cloud your thinking.

Edited October 25, 2018 by mochafrap

[cetus]

3 hours ago, Strikr said:

the paradox is why you all keep writting mindless shit on a forum if nothing has a meaning.

@Strikr Because there is something there that is beyond meaning.