If all of mankind were enlightened most likely there would be no Therapist.

[Jack River]

11 minutes ago, SgtPepper said:

Disclaimer: excuse my passion btw. I enjoy discussing and am not trying to be argumentative. I am as much a student as everyone here. I am just becoming extreme in my communication here to get across my point. 

It’s all good man. When we have these discussions we should be attentive to our own bias/defences. 

11 minutes ago, SgtPepper said:

agree with you. As someone playing the capitalism game, in western society, going into the psychology field. That is exactly what I plan to do and am hoping to earn a living by guiding people with many perspectives and approaches.

If you really care about conciousness as a whole it is important to share the nature of what causes psychological disorder...you agree? To promote self understanding right? That’s what you want to share?

Edited October 15, 2018 by Jack River

[Jack River]

To tell people right from the getgo...Nobody can help you. Then maybe you can go into why you say that. 

Edited October 15, 2018 by Jack River

[SgtPepper]

2 minutes ago, Jack River said:

It’s all good man. When we have these discussions we should be attentive to our own bias/defences. 

If you really care about conciousness as a whole try it is important to share the nature of what causes psychological disorder...you agree? To promote self understanding right? That’s what you want to share?

Self-reflection and self-understanding 100%. In a sense. I want to teach others how to effectively self-reflect that they can heal themselves so they won't need a therapist or psychologist. 

and I am 100% going to be bias. As long as I communicate, I can only speak my experience and it will inherently be biases, else I'd sit around here saying I don't know because I only know what's real to me. I am only aware of my ego. I can only communicate through that avenue. 

[Jack River]

5 minutes ago, SgtPepper said:

I am only aware of my ego.

If you go into the nature of ego/thought you see that all egos are the same. When we talk about ego, we don’t talk about yours or mine, but ego. Opinions will be what we should do about ego. But talking about what happens in the phenomena of ego/thought needs no opinion. Do you see what I mean? There will only be opinions when we are looking to solve a problem according to our own accumulated knowledge...But the kind of communication I am taking about is not that. It is only bringing to attention the fact of what happens in ego/thought. Do you see the difference?

Edited October 15, 2018 by Jack River

[SgtPepper]

10 minutes ago, hundreth said:

Stop. Resisting. Stage. Green!

haha. I do not really see myself as resisting green. If anything I feel I am moving to yellow. I have a little bit of orange because I am young and I gotta make something of myself financially speaking.

Maybe I should re-watch the stage Green episode though...

I lean toward liberal values with a libertarian twist. I am very open-minded compared to people I know. Connected to my emotions which is why I am not in the STEM field and I am also a musician. I am not very materialistic. I like nice things, but I am not strongly attached to them. If anything I am more fascinated by systemic thinking and how we can apply it to improve the function of our society. It is very clear to me that life is a system within a system within a system. 

My main issue is mastering discipline and strategic thinking. 

[Forestluv]

16 minutes ago, SgtPepper said:

Self-reflection and self-understanding 100%. In a sense. I want to teach others how to effectively self-reflect that they can heal themselves so they won't need a therapist or psychologist. 

and I am 100% going to be bias. As long as I communicate, I can only speak my experience and it will inherently be biases, else I'd sit around here saying I don't know because I only know what's real to me. I am only aware of my ego. I can only communicate through that avenue. 

Also consider working on relativism. It is one of the keys to stage yellow stage.

[SgtPepper]

6 minutes ago, Jack River said:

If you go into the nature of ego/thought you see that all egos are the same. When we talk about ego, we don’t talk about yours or mine, but ego. Opinions will be what we should do about ego. But talking about what happens in the phenomena of ego/thought needs no opinion. Do you see what I mean? There will only be opinions when we are looking to solve a problem according to our own accumulated knowledge...But the kind of communication I am taking about is not that. It is only bringing to attention the fact of what happens in ego/thought. Do you see the difference?

Yes I do. But I find it difficult to be able to separate a conversation about ego vs. contemporary issues of society at large since I feel that to make changes in society, requires ego, accumulated knowledge, and an effort to find what direction is "better" than another. 

Society at large is in its own ego and perhaps evolves when individuals within society drop ego so another evolved ego can form to change the Society Ego.

If I drop ego, I probably would not even post on the forum since It is ultimately much more pleasing to sit in peace and let it be. There's nothing to fight or change.

I am not at a point where I can balance staying in a non-ego state while posting opinions. In one way I am and another I am not. Ego loves to participate and connect with other egos who are ultimately itself. 

 

[Jack River]

2 minutes ago, SgtPepper said:

Yes I do. But I find it difficult to be able to separate a conversation about ego vs. contemporary issues of society at large since I feel that to make changes in society, requires ego, accumulated knowledge, and an effort to find what direction is "better" than another. 

I feel ya dude. But ego is responsible for how society is now. Ego=society. Our inside state is projected out. Really society is an abstraction. We are both. Society is me/you. And a lot of politics and stuff is my knowledge vs your knowledge and all that. That is identifying with our own experiences. And then we cling to that experience of knowledge to solve a certain problem. But we fight about who solution is better because we sometimes seek psychological security in being right and avoiding being wrong. This means no relationship and we cannot work together. If we could just understand problems without fighting about what solution is better we would end the conflict of opposition of opinions. You see what I mean dude. If we can not cling to or own personal psychological bias we will be able to solve political, economic, and what ever other problems much better. But the fact is this...I am the society. 

[SgtPepper]

21 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Also consider working on relativism. It is one of the keys to stage yellow stage.

You are right! But. This is something I wondered yesterday actually. How does one hold an ego idea such as conservatives have terrible principles, but at the same time recognize the multiple perspectives? In another context the principles of conservatism may actually be the best principles to have for a particular situation. The perspective that Trump is a horrible president for example is contingent upon who you are asking and further, their education, culture, and life experiences.

So... Who am I to say one way is good or bad. From a relative perspective, it just is, and it depends on the context whether a set of ideas are useful or not, and it will always be related to the ego's position. 

I am not saying this as someone who love or hates Trump. To me there is a bigger systemic issue with government and politics and its in relation to the average person, but that besides the point because it is a relative perspective lol. 

I am not attacking Leo here, but it surprises and slightly confuses me how he encourage the ability to hold multi-perspectives, but yet appears to hold finalized conclusions about Trump, when from a relative perspective, it's all relative to the situation, the person, and more. 

From a relative perspective it would just make sense to not even have a "real" opinion on the issue because there is no determined perspective. It's like going in circles cause nothing is absolute besides the absolute itself, but for the sake of order, communication, and my relationships, I hold a view, that I recognize is relative.

Maybe I am not seeing the bigger picture on relativism yet. So I will look into it.

Edited October 15, 2018 by SgtPepper

[hundreth]

29 minutes ago, SgtPepper said:

haha. I do not really see myself as resisting green. If anything I feel I am moving to yellow. I have a little bit of orange because I am young and I gotta make something of myself financially speaking.

Maybe I should re-watch the stage Green episode though...

I lean toward liberal values with a libertarian twist. I am very open-minded compared to people I know. Connected to my emotions which is why I am not in the STEM field and I am also a musician. I am not very materialistic. I like nice things, but I am not strongly attached to them. If anything I am more fascinated by systemic thinking and how we can apply it to improve the function of our society. It is very clear to me that life is a system within a system within a system. 

My main issue is mastering discipline and strategic thinking. 

I was only kidding. You were pointing out the obvious, hierarchies are part of nature. 

[Jack River]

21 minutes ago, SgtPepper said:

If I drop ego, I probably would not even post on the forum

No. When freedom becomes actual you feel much more responsible to communicate it. I didn’t expect that at all. Lol I am responsible for consciousness. 

Edited October 15, 2018 by Jack River

[SgtPepper]

11 minutes ago, hundreth said:

I was only kidding. You were pointing out the obvious, hierarchies are part of nature. 

Lol. I feel silly.

 

11 minutes ago, Jack River said:

No. When freedom becomes actual you feel much more responsible to communicate it. I didn’t expect that at all. Lol I am responsible for consciousness. 

Hmm. I can certainly see that. Why not right? I still think Ego is part of it all else it would not be, but it is. It just should not run it without it being fueled by inner-being.

[Joseph Maynor]

There's some truth to this.  Lemme support this with a reason so I don't make just a conclusory statement myself.

Reason: It's Egoic selves that need therapy.  It's Egoic selves that want to manipulate reality to be to their liking.  And it's Egoic selves that get frustrated when reality is not to their liking.

Edited October 16, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[WelcometoReality]

@Tony 845 To proceed with the discussion I think it's good that we define the different applications to using a therapist and then rule out the applications that would'nt be needed in an enlightened society.

The applications that I can see is:

• Ego-related issues like lack of self esteem, mentally induced depression etc.
• group dynamics like family and small businesses
• "Bad" Behavior patterns
• Addictions Drugs, porn, work, gaming
• Physical disorders like borderline, depression, bipolar, shizophrenia

Feel free to add to the list.

 

The first one I would rule out is Ego-related issues. Those would fall away after awakening.

 

 

[Nahm]

Before enlightenment, chopping wood, carrying water. After enlightenment, chopping wood, carrying water.