If all of mankind were enlightened most likely there would be no Therapist.

[Tony 845]

I've talked to about 3 mental health therapist all 3 really didn't even know much about enlightenment, this dawned on me more & more rescently that they probably would be out of jobs if all of humanity were enlightened. Almost like it's the biggest conspiracy of mankind, crazy...

[SgtPepper]

Not true. There will always be a need of a teacher to show the way for newcomers. In addition, therapists are trained and geared towards shadow work, not enlightenment. 

Also there are psychologists and therapist out there open and aware of meditation, yoga, and enlightenment. 

Source: I am studying to be a psychologist. 

Edited October 15, 2018 by SgtPepper

[Tony 845]

@SgtPepper  how deeply are they aware? 

[Tony 845]

@Outer interesting.

[Forestluv]

1 hour ago, Tony 845 said:

I've talked to about 3 mental health therapist all 3 really didn't even know much about enlightenment, this dawned on me more & more rescently that they probably would be out of jobs if all of humanity were enlightened. Almost like it's the biggest conspiracy of mankind, crazy...

I lived within an awakened community in the mountains of Peru. There was no need for therapists. 

[Tony 845]

@Serotoninluv I'm sure there would still be some therapy still, but I'm saying a majority of them would be jobless, like 80-90% 

[Forestluv]

20 minutes ago, SgtPepper said:

Not true. There will always be a need of a teacher to show the way for newcomers. In addition, therapists are trained and geared towards shadow work, not enlightenment. 

Also there are psychologists and therapist out there open and aware of meditation, yoga, and enlightenment. 

Source: I am studying to be a psychologist. 

What would a psychologist treat if there was no self?

[Tony 845]

@Serotoninluv exactly ??? also this question has been killing me, what's the difference between be awakened or enlightenment? I feel like some people think they are the same thing & some people use different meanings. I've had a kundalini awakening experience (it was wild) but I sure as shit am not enlightened.

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[Forestluv]

4 minutes ago, Tony 845 said:

@Serotoninluv I'm sure there would still be some therapy still, but I'm saying a majority of them would be jobless, like 80-90% 

There is no need for therapists in an enlightened community. Delusion is dissolved and there is no self to treat. 

[Tony 845]

@Serotoninluv maybe for newly enlightened people? Like dark night of the souls sorta stuff 

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[Aimblack]

@Serotoninluv That is demonstrably incorrect. As someone pointed out Shinzen went to a therapist before. And also there are well documented cases of enlightened masters abusing their power by sexually exploiting or raping their followers.

[Tony 845]

@Aimblack like I was saying still a majority of them would still remain jobless & if they were truly enlightend how could they be bad like that with "no self" ? I've heard of this before who were the masters? & were they truly enlightened???

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[Jack River]

16 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

What would a psychologist treat if there was no self?

Fosho man. The reason we have psychologist is because we look to thought or knowledge to solve psychological problems. But that is why we have psychological problems. That’s awsome that you did that in Peru.. I would have tried to stay. 

[hundreth]

I disagree as well. This is why spiritual bypassing is so dangerous. From the absolute perspective, your ego doesn't exist. From the relative perspective, it still does. You're still wandering around acting out your shadow. 

I could see an awakened community having less of a need for this, because they generally have simpler lives revolving around sounder principles.

[Forestluv]

7 minutes ago, Aimblack said:

@Serotoninluv That is demonstrably incorrect. As someone pointed out Shinzen went to a therapist before. And also there are well documented cases of enlightened masters abusing their power by sexually exploiting or raping their followers.

I don’t accept your view of “enlightenment”.

[Aimblack]

@Tony 845 If we are just speculating then I would argue that means that even the therapist would be enlightened meaning the field of therapy would evolve into a whole new thing. And I don't know about how they "could" but it's fact that they were enlightened and still had issues. I don't see why those things have to be mutually exclusive.It's not like the second someone becomes enlightened their entire ego vanishes.

 

[thehero]

not only do they not know about enlightenment but they barely listened to my problem and gave me some funky medicine that had nothing to do with my disorder at the time and of which had serious addiction and side effect potential 

ahahahahaha 

unfortunately, current medical care for mental health (in the mainstream) is poor

you can find great and amazing therapists and specialists 

but in my experience, many of them have: 

a lack of holistic view: they are too specialized and don't have knowledge of other industries and perspectives (this was the problem with one of my specialists). sometimes lack of being holistic is okay. i still got a lot from her. 

a lack of expert understanding: one of my therapists once did not have an amazing understanding of emotions. while it was okay, i wanted something phenomenal, world-class. she did not have answers to some of my questions, which were perhaps intermediate-advanced level questions about emotions. 

a lack of direct experience: many of these therapists are not developed themselves! they don't apply therapy work on themselves and are they themselves neurotic. they're just regular people doing getting their job done and getting paid. 

 

go to a doctor that has a holistic view, a strong & deep understanding, and is developed in psychology themselves. 

 

[Forestluv]

3 minutes ago, hundreth said:

I could see an awakened community having less of a need for this, because they generally have simpler lives revolving around sounder principles.

Go deeper to see what you cannot see.

[Jack River]

9 minutes ago, Aimblack said:

@Serotoninluv That is demonstrably incorrect. As someone pointed out Shinzen went to a therapist before. And also there are well documented cases of enlightened masters abusing their power by sexually exploiting or raping their followers.

Dude...then they were not free. That’s just pure silliness right there. If you are psychologically free which is liberation you don’t depend of others. And procrastination is due to thought putting things off. That is a reaction too. A resistance to act. 

[hundreth]

1 minute ago, Serotoninluv said:

Look deeper.

It's nice to see you disagreeing with Leo about something.