Bullshit Is Fundamental Whether Tou Like It Or Not

[The Don]

Hello guys.

Human nature is full of shit. That's a fundamental truth. It's the human-nature problem, do you get it?

A huge part of our thinking and acting is exclusively CHIMP behavior.

We, humans, are fundamentally wrong by nature. That's why we have so many problems and that's why we'll never change.

For example, when somebody says I've changed for the better, actually he didn't. What he really did is made a choice to act differently.

"Fuck those people." - George Carlin

[Shin]

If we were fundamentally wrong, we wouldn't exist.

[Truth]

I don't understand why people make these types of posts.. Are they just trying to fulfill their prophecies? Halp? Leo literally just made a video on this.

Edited October 14, 2018 by Truth

[Joseph Maynor]

New rule on calling bullsh*t -- (1) First you apply it to yourself in actions not just words, (2) then come tell us about that.

Edited October 14, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[Hellspeed]

No, no, no... don't mistake human nature with education. 

Human nature is fine, the anti-naturality in the morals & education brought this bullshit in humans. 

[Brittany]

On 10/14/2018 at 8:26 AM, The Don said:

We, humans, are fundamentally wrong by nature

This thought causes deep suffering

[Preetom]

23 hours ago, Hellspeed said:

No, no, no... don't mistake human nature with education. 

Human nature is fine, the anti-naturality in the morals & education brought this bullshit in humans. 

woah..that sure is thought provoking 

[SgtPepper]

On 10/14/2018 at 8:26 AM, The Don said:

Hello guys.

Human nature is full of shit. That's a fundamental truth. It's the human-nature problem, do you get it?

A huge part of our thinking and acting is exclusively CHIMP behavior.

We, humans, are fundamentally wrong by nature. That's why we have so many problems and that's why we'll never change.

For example, when somebody says I've changed for the better, actually he didn't. What he really did is made a choice to act differently.

"Fuck those people." - George Carlin

It's just survival behavior. What do you expect? Human Beings are just human beings doing their best with what they got. Where's your compassion? Be wholesome. As Leo says, your pessimism is BS. Saying we'll never change is like saying you will never change. you're looking directly and speaking in the mirror bro. Your post comes off a bit like a projection of your feelings about yourself.

Change comes with acceptance and awareness of the present.

Only way to see through the bullshit is to look in the mirror and make a change. Became aware of yourself and rise above the bullshit.

 

 

Edited October 15, 2018 by SgtPepper

[Charlotte]

On 14/10/2018 at 4:34 PM, Joseph Maynor said:

New rule on calling bullsh*t -- (1) First you apply it to yourself in actions not just words, (2) then come tell us about that.

+1

[Charlotte]

@Serotoninluv inner peace

[Shadowraix]

Does bullshit still exist when there is no one to perceive it as such?

 

[Forestluv]

13 minutes ago, Shadowraix said:

Does bullshit still exist when there is no one to perceive it as such?

 

Hmmm. Can someting exist without a witness?

 

[Joseph Maynor]

Maya is full of shit. But that’s not a bad thing, it’s just the way things are.  If you’re irritated at Maya being full of shit, you’re still clinging to Maya being different than it actually is.  That’s clinging to a Thought about Maya being somehow bad for wrong for being an illusion.  See the subtle moral play?  If you’re irritated at Maya being an illusion, you’re not accepting what is.

Edited October 16, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[Mu_]

On 10/14/2018 at 8:26 AM, The Don said:

Hello guys.

Human nature is full of shit. That's a fundamental truth. It's the human-nature problem, do you get it?

A huge part of our thinking and acting is exclusively CHIMP behavior.

We, humans, are fundamentally wrong by nature. That's why we have so many problems and that's why we'll never change.

For example, when somebody says I've changed for the better, actually he didn't. What he really did is made a choice to act differently.

"Fuck those people." - George Carlin

Isnt "full of shit" just your way of seeing and feeling about said object/situation?  Sounds like your just angry, which is fine, but don't wrap it around the truth of existence, humans in particular in this case.

[Forestluv]

@Joseph Maynor The deeper level is seeing it’s all “bullshit”. All the religion, science, philosophy, buddhist theory, Maya, psychology etc. The problem of the human mind is it can’t see it’s own bullshit. All thought and concepts are bullshit - the problem is when a mind believes it’s true.

I just watched a Shinzen Young video. Great insights, yet he has deeper levels to go. He seems to believe what he is saying.

Believing in your thoughts and concepts is as  psychotic as believing in an imaginaty friend. 

Our minds are writting creative stories. It can be a creative story about the planet Zarcon and how the jimlee beings interact within their space and how they interact with the camlin beings. We could creativly write about their social structures, experiences, emotions, diet - what is good and bad etc. Yet at the end of the day we could walk away from the writing, realize it is just fantasy and get back to our “real” life. It is *much* harder to realize that all of our own thoughts and concepts about “real” life is also just fantasy bullshit. All of it.

I thought Leo’s blog video on skepticism and nonduality was brilliant. IMO, he can go to Alan Watts level depth, yet with his own unique expression/approach. 

[Joseph Maynor]

7 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

@Joseph Maynor The deeper level is seeing it’s all “bullshit”. All the religion, science, philosophy, buddhist theory, Maya, psychology etc. The problem of the human mind is it can’t see it’s own bullshit. All thought and concepts are bullshit - the problem is when a mind believes it’s true.

Belueving in your thoughts and concepts is as  psychotic as believing in an imaginaty friend. 

Our minds are writting creative stories. It can be a creative story about the planet Zarcon and how the jimlee beings interact within their space and how they interact with the camlin beings. We could creativly write about their social structures, experiences, emotions, diet - what is good and bad etc. Yet at the end of the day we could walk away from the writing, realize it is just fantasy and get back to our “real” life. It is *much* harder to realize that all of our own thoughts and concepts about “real” life is also just fantasy bullshit. All of it.

I thought Leo’s blog video on skepticism and nonduality was brilliant. IMO, he can go to Alan Watts level depth, yet with his own unique expression/approach. 

What if there is no human mind?  The idea that there's a deceptive mind is bullshit.

Leo's too irritated in his video.  There's no need to be irritated at bullshit.  See, that irritation speaks volumes.  

In fact, seeing through Maya just is seeing through the deepest kind of bullshit.

But -- clinging to Maya being a different way than it is actually is clinging to a Thought fantasy.  This is why a lot of people talk about problems with 'shoulding' in Enlightenment Work.

The Egoic self has preferences about Maya and wants Maya to be a certain way and not be another way.  But that's just clinging to Thought about Maya rather than letting Maya just be the illusion that it is.

Edited October 16, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[Forestluv]

15 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

What if there is no human mind?  The idea that there's a deceptive mind is bullshit.

Yes. It’s all “bullshit”, including that idea and this idea.

When I went to Mu, everything was deconstructed to nothingness, then reconstructed to everythingness.

There is an IS prior to all the language and ideas. Prior to ALL ideas - even wonderful ideas, insightful ideas etc. From this perspective, all ideas are just appearances from nothing. “Bullshit” doesn’t mean bad or good. It’s just a term to knock people off their rational grounding into something that becomes groundless, then becomes groundless ground.

Regarding irritation, if a kid kept urinating in the punch bowls at a party, it would be challengeing to remain patient and show the child unconditional love - especially after drinking his piss juice. It’s human nature to get irritated at times. 

[Thesingularity]

That's something only an existentialist will come up with, as functionalist i disagree with the view and find it absurd.  

[Forestluv]

6 minutes ago, Thesingularity said:

That's something only an existentialist will come up with, as functionalist i disagree with the view and find it absurd.  

Of course. To a rationalist, both pre-rational and post-rational will appear irrational and absurd. One must transcend rational thought for deeper direct experience and understanding. 

[Thesingularity]

@Serotoninluv it is still bunch of theories only for online forums and YouTube videos. It doesn’t effect the world as we know it. Unfortunately we have way too many existentialist and post existentialist or moralist that slow down our progress as species.