Why is enlightenment so “slippery”

[SageModeAustin]

@cetus56 Ohh I see, it was just a misunderstanding.

 

[SageModeAustin]

@Jack River Very good points, but I disagree with two things

1.  Effort is not needed.  Well this is truthful in degrees, but for most people..effort is needed to understand that it is not needed.  In other words, you have to try before you realize that not trying is more effective. 

2.  If truth isn't fixed, then there is no truth by that logic.  The definition of truth is that it is fixed, always true 24/7, like a law of the universe. 

Edited October 13, 2018 by SageModeAustin

[Jack River]

55 minutes ago, SageModeAustin said:

If truth isn't fixed, then there is no truth by that logic.  The definition of truth is that it is fixed, always true 24/7, like a law of the universe. 

That law is governed by reality/thought. Truth has nothing to do with that. Logic doesn’t lead to this insight. SEEING the limitation of logic reveals this. Reality/thought projects “things” which are fixed. We invent the image and we pursue that image. Think of it as self worship brah. 

 

55 minutes ago, SageModeAustin said:

.  In other words, you have to try before you realize that not trying is more effective. 

Is it necessary? Or can we see the falsity of it from the beginning? Do we see that being  motivated by reward and punishment limits SEEING itself. It’s silly to say effort is necessary. Effort is the fact already. Effort is the ego/time. Why not bring this to awareness right off the bat. If effort continues there is limited energy to really explore without the bais of self distorting. Why Not just say from the beginning there is no “thing” as in ways/means to end the falsity of moving within the field of psychological time.

Do you realize consciousness has been playing this game with itself for thousands of years? And we are still the same. Psychologically haven’t changed. 

It’s assumed that striving/longing, or battling  for freedom will lead to freedom. But moving within the pattern of fear never will end that pattern. It will just continue on and on. Why not just understand the limitations of the mechanism we use to get somewhere? As in the limit of psychological becoming. If we can discuss without resistance how that movement of becoming is the barrier to freedom well then that would be pretty awesome now right. 

Why say it is necessary to apply effort when we do anyway. Why not ask, is effort necessary? Why not ask can time/psychological becoming end without trying to use time as the means. This is the kind of jump consciousness needs to take to really clean up itself. Instead of how can I psychologically evolve, progress, grow, can we see that psychological evolution fuels the illusion of time? Can that psychological movement end? That’s where it’s at my dudes. 

 

Edited October 13, 2018 by Jack River

[Jack River]

Do we see? Let’s break the pattern of time brahs. Let’s not establish and make  fixed a limitation on consciousness just because we don’t like to end habits/patterns of thought. What we do and don’t do today makes for different a tomorrow. If the pattern stays the same today tomorrow will be that same pattern. 

Edited October 13, 2018 by Jack River

[Jack River]

It’s not understood that psychological time=psychological enslavement. If that was commonly accepted/seen as a fact then we would from a young age be educated about it. Then maybe there would be some enormous change in consciousness. Imagine not even having to go through this dissolving of conditioning in the first place. Start form the beginning living a life free do psychological time. 

[SageModeAustin]

@Jack River Hmmmmm...I see your point now.  

I agree.