French Revolution and Spiral Dynamics

[TomDashingPornstar]

@CreamCat Wrong. I put the condition of compassion on Green.

[CreamCat]

@TomDashingPornstar I remember Leo saying in a video about devilry that human ego is capable of compassion. Green doesn't have monopoly over compassion.

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[TomDashingPornstar]

@CreamCat

Compassion is supposed to dominate Green psychology

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[SFRL]

I think it should be possible for people within Green to have different opinions, perspectives, and agendas. 

But if women standing up for their rights is Green, then men standing up for their rights should be considered Green as well. 

[CreamCat]

@TomDashingPornstar Here's the ultimate challenge for limits of compassion. Would a Green person embrace pedophiles? Would LGBT acceptance movement embrace pedophilia to become LGBTP acceptance movement? How many Green people would feel compassion toward oppressed pedophiles? Nobody denies that there's obvious oppression of pedophilia in most countries. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a pedophile. I am a heterosexual man who's attracted to curvy women.

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[TomDashingPornstar]

5 minutes ago, CreamCat said:

@TomDashingPornstar Here's the ultimate test for limits of compassion. Would a Green person embrace pedophiles? Would LGBT acceptance movement embrace pedophilia to become LGBTP acceptance movement? How many Green people would feel compassion toward oppressed pedophiles? There's obvious oppression of pedophilia in most countries. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a pedophile. I am a heterosexual man who's attracted to curvy women.

Why are you comparing men as a whole to pedophiles.

[CreamCat]

4 minutes ago, TomDashingPornstar said:

Why are you comparing men as a whole to pedophiles.

I wasn't. There are female pedophiles, too. I was merely trying to test limits of Green's compassion. The ultimate challenge. I personally don't care much about pedophilia.

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[Leo Gura]

You guys are still not getting Green. You are looking at Green from Orange and failing to understand.

You must step outside your perspective.

Feminists are not fighting for women's rights over men's rights. They are fighting for equal rights.

The men's rights movement is not about equality, it's a reaction against equality.

Equality for an overpowered group looks like loss of power. Beause it is. Equality means men lose power. Just like equality means the tyrant loses power. Of course the tyrant will feel this is unfair and bad. Tough shit.

[TomDashingPornstar]

@CreamCat Well, I say when you promote your own group and yourself over other people, it's not compassion.  It's #MeFirst

[How to be wise]

@Leo Gura The book ‘spiral dynamics’ talks about stage blue feminists, aethists and left wingers. Is that possible? Are there any current examples?

[CreamCat]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Equality for an overpowered group looks like loss of power. Beause it is. Equality means men lose power. Just like equality means the tyrant loses power.

I watched some parts of your video about actuality. It is spiritual and also Yellow as hell. Isn't the perception that men are overpowered, compared to women a concept and an imagination rather than actuality?

In my country, I read about a man put in prison for months for accidentally bumping his hand into a woman's ass. This kind of things happens often in my country. As a man, I don't feel empowered.

Does it mean that Green doesn't value actuality much?

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[Leo Gura]

@How to be wise Most modern feminists are Green.

Maybe 70 years ago it was more possible.

[SFRL]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You guys are still not getting Green. You are looking at Green from Orange and failing to understand.

You must step outside your perspective.

Feminists are not fighting for women's rights over men's rights. They are fighting for equal rights.

The men's rights movement is not about equality, it's a reaction against equality.

Equality for an overpowered group looks like loss of power. Beause it is. Equality means men lose power. Just like equality means the tyrant loses power. Of course the tyrant will feel this is unfair and bad. Tough shit.

So if parents divorce their should be assumed 50/50 custody right? That's equal. But that's not the case. 

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, CreamCat said:

I watched some parts of your video about actuality. It is spiritual and also Yellow as hell. Isn't the perception that men are overpowered, compared to women a concept and an imagination rather than actuality?

Don't muddle contexts. That was a discussion about nonduality. This is a discussion about something else.

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In my country, I saw a man put in prison for months for accidentally bumping his hand into a woman's ass. This kind of things happens a lot in my country. As a man, I don't feel empowered at all.

Your ego is over-exaggerating. No man goes to prision for accidentally bumping his hand into a woman's ass. Your mind is cherry picking this stuff to create a victim mythology for yourself.

You are still stuck in Orange so Green is over your head.

Like I said, you will precieve equality as disempowerment. Power is being taken away from you to equalize the playing field. The solution is to stop clinging to power and stop acting aggrieved.

If you actually cared about equality you would willingly acknowledge the systemic inequalities which exist for women and minorities. But that would put you at Green, which you still aren't developed enough for.

[TomDashingPornstar]

@Leo Gura

You're in total denial of male primary issues, like divorce rape, suicide, and autism.  Your'e also not acknowledging covert female wiring vs overt male wiring.  That's what MRAs are mostly about.

P.S. I will never actively involve myself in MRA work.

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[CreamCat]

25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No man goes to prision for accidentally bumping his hand into a woman's ass.

I read about it in newspapers. I clearly read from those newspapers that the man was put in prison for months for accidentally bumping his hand into a woman's ass. The woman claimed the man grabbed her ass incessantly, but the CCTV footage shows the man passing by the woman very closely. As soon as the man passed by her, she called him from behind and started accusing him of sexual harassment. The man didn't even notice her presence because she was to the right of him and was hiding in an invisible corner. If the newspapers weren't lying, at least a man went to prison for that.

The judge sent him to prison for months for not apologizing to the woman.

I never heard about a woman sent to prison for similar things. It seems women have more power in some areas of life.

25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Stop clinging to power.

I didn't feel that I had more power than women.

This dialogue about power doesn't apply too well at the individual level.

You seem to assume that men have more power in some form. Perhaps, men do. I don't know about actual power balance, yet.

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[TomDashingPornstar]

@CreamCat

Whenever this is brought up, they just start pretending like you're advocating women shouldn't have the right to vote.  They can't admit that there is no institutional power imbalance, except for those that men have compassionately favored women with.

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[CreamCat]

@TomDashingPornstar In my country, men and women gained the voting rights at the same time.

[TomDashingPornstar]

29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

Feminists are not fighting for women's rights over men's rights. They are fighting for equal rights.

And what rights might those be?  Where is the inequality in rights?

In Western countries there are no ineqaulities in rights. You are using outdated concepts.

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[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, CreamCat said:

I didn't feel that I had more power than women.

Of course you don't. Because you are so self-centered and lack any sense of history.