French Revolution and Spiral Dynamics

[Annoynymous]

I am a student of International Relations and quite interested to Study about History of civilization and politics. Suddenly a question popped out in my mind. What do you think of French Revolution according to spiral dynamics? The nature of the event resonates with which stage most?

[Leo Gura]

Blue to Orange transition

[Annoynymous]

Can every sort of revolution be described as 'Blue to Orange' transition? or every revolution has its own spiral dynamic nature?

Edited October 10, 2018 by Annoynymous

[Forestluv]

3 minutes ago, Annoynymous said:

Can every sort of revolution be described as 'Blue to Orange' transition? or every revolution has its own spiral dynamic nature?

I was just wondering what an Orange to Green revolution would look like. Would the Greens fight with hugs and soy lattes?

[Emerald]

28 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

I was just wondering what an Orange to Green revolution would look like. Would the Greens fight with hugs and soy lattes?

Green SJWs against all the Blue Conservatives and their traditional value and Orange Libertarians and their money as conveyor of personal worth, status, and character.

So to think Orange to Green revolutions think women's marches, Occupy Wall Street, getting money out of politics, Black Lives Matter, Third Wave Feminism, LGBT acceptance, the body positivity and fat acceptance movements, #MeToo, Intersectionality, Vegan activism, environmental activism (like the straws thing), and other such progressive movements. 

But Liberals aren't the only people progressing up the spiral. In fact, there has already been a major shift in the Conservative way from a more Blue traditional ways to the more Orange Libertarian ways. In fact, I'd wager that the average millennial Conservative is probably a Libertarian as opposed to the Conservative of old like the church-going, moralistic type of person.

Then Liberals ever since around 2012, have begun shifting from a more Orange and Libertarian meritocratic way of thinking about the world... like "give everyone the freedom to be successful and pull themselves up by their bootstraps by virtue of their own individual character." to a social systems perspective that's very Green. In fact, many current liberals and leftists have left behind Libertarian beliefs that they now see as quite regressive.

But some Liberals have not progressed. This is why a lot of Libertarian Conservatives (who used to be considered progressive) call themselves "Classic Liberals." They are ultimately Conservative by today's standards, but they like to identify with the Liberal values of ten years ago as they still see themselves as Liberal. And they feel like their Liberal identity has been hi-jacked by a bunch of idiots. But it's just a natural shift. It's just that a lot of Conservatives have caught up with them on the spiral, and many Liberals have progressed up the spiral to something they can't yet relate to and aren't aware of yet. 

But with regard to Green, you can tell it's a Green revolution because it looks to create positive change in social systems to help the marginalized and create a truly fair society. And they get very upset by heresy because their cause is important to them, and they see enemies of that cause to be enemies to justice and fairness... which certainly has a lot of merit. They just tend to think it's done on purpose, where for most people they're just not seeing things from the wider perspective. 

Edited October 10, 2018 by Emerald

[lmfao]

40 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Green SJWs against all the Blue Conservatives and their traditional value and Orange Libertarians and their money as conveyor of personal worth, status, and character.

So to think Orange to Green revolutions think women's marches, Occupy Wall Street, getting money out of politics, Black Lives Matter, Third Wave Feminism, LGBT acceptance, the body positivity and fat acceptance movements, #MeToo, Intersectionality, Vegan activism, environmental activism (like the straws thing), and other such progressive movements. 

But Liberals aren't the only people progressing up the spiral. In fact, there has already been a major shift in the Conservative way from a more Blue traditional ways to the more Orange Libertarian ways. In fact, I'd wager that the average millennial Conservative is probably a Libertarian as opposed to the Conservative of old like the church-going, moralistic type of person.

Then Liberals ever since around 2012, have begun shifting from a more Orange and Libertarian meritocratic way of thinking about the world... like "give everyone the freedom to be successful and pull themselves up by their bootstraps by virtue of their own individual character." to a social systems perspective that's very Green. In fact, many current liberals and leftists have left behind Libertarian beliefs that they now see as quite regressive.

But some Liberals have not progressed. This is why a lot of Libertarian Conservatives (who used to be considered progressive) call themselves "Classic Liberals." They are ultimately Conservative by today's standards, but they like to identify with the Liberal values of ten years ago as they still see themselves as Liberal. And they feel like their Liberal identity has been hi-jacked by a bunch of idiots. But it's just a natural shift. It's just that a lot of Conservatives have caught up with them on the spiral, and many Liberals have progressed up the spiral to something they can't yet relate to and aren't aware of yet. 

But with regard to Green, you can tell it's a Green revolution because it looks to create positive change in social systems to help the marginalized and create a truly fair society. And they get very upset by heresy because their cause is important to them, and they see enemies of that cause to be enemies to justice and fairness... which certainly has a lot of merit. They just tend to think it's done on purpose, where for most people they're just not seeing things from the wider perspective. 

[Forestluv]

I love it when @Emerald busts out her meta Yellow pen. So awesome ?? 

You are helping me progress through green into yellow ? 

[Annoynymous]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

Green SJWs against all the Blue Conservatives and their traditional value and Orange Libertarians and their money as conveyor of personal worth, status, and character.

So to think Orange to Green revolutions think women's marches, Occupy Wall Street, getting money out of politics, Black Lives Matter, Third Wave Feminism, LGBT acceptance, the body positivity and fat acceptance movements, #MeToo, Intersectionality, Vegan activism, environmental activism (like the straws thing), and other such progressive movements. 

But Liberals aren't the only people progressing up the spiral. In fact, there has already been a major shift in the Conservative way from a more Blue traditional ways to the more Orange Libertarian ways. In fact, I'd wager that the average millennial Conservative is probably a Libertarian as opposed to the Conservative of old like the church-going, moralistic type of person.

Then Liberals ever since around 2012, have begun shifting from a more Orange and Libertarian meritocratic way of thinking about the world... like "give everyone the freedom to be successful and pull themselves up by their bootstraps by virtue of their own individual character." to a social systems perspective that's very Green. In fact, many current liberals and leftists have left behind Libertarian beliefs that they now see as quite regressive.

But some Liberals have not progressed. This is why a lot of Libertarian Conservatives (who used to be considered progressive) call themselves "Classic Liberals." They are ultimately Conservative by today's standards, but they like to identify with the Liberal values of ten years ago as they still see themselves as Liberal. And they feel like their Liberal identity has been hi-jacked by a bunch of idiots. But it's just a natural shift. It's just that a lot of Conservatives have caught up with them on the spiral, and many Liberals have progressed up the spiral to something they can't yet relate to and aren't aware of yet. 

But with regard to Green, you can tell it's a Green revolution because it looks to create positive change in social systems to help the marginalized and create a truly fair society. And they get very upset by heresy because their cause is important to them, and they see enemies of that cause to be enemies to justice and fairness... which certainly has a lot of merit. They just tend to think it's done on purpose, where for most people they're just not seeing things from the wider perspective. 

Well i have known about the french revolution by reading a book by Charles Dickens called 'A tale of two cities'. It was a historical fiction, nonetheless i think one can actually resonate with the real event by reading that book.

According to Leo, it's blue transiting to orange. I agree with him. But what i think that if every stage can have its 'revolution' within it or while transiting into another, then the nature of each revolution of each stage will be different and unique. 

For example, Maybe when society will truly revolutionize from orange to green it will be different in nature when it revolutionized from blue to orange. 

The main point that i am trying to illustrate is that concepts of revolution is so so so unique that we may have to use different words in describing transition period instead of using the word 'Revolution'. Because it will be hard to even resonate.

Maybe when green will try to change the orange infrastructure in society, it will do in a unique peaceful manner unlike orange did with blue society. 

1 hour ago, Serotoninluv said:

I was just wondering what an Orange to Green revolution would look like. Would the Greens fight with hugs and soy lattes?

Well it will be great then better then firing at your enemy then to 'hug' the way to peace

Edited October 10, 2018 by Annoynymous

[Annoynymous]

For those who are visiting this post and participating while sharing their view, i would like to share my spirial dynamics status (according to my observation). It will help you to see where i am leaning while sharing my opinion.

I consider myself 15% blue, 30% orange, 50% green and 5% yellow. Kinda mixed up!!

[Forestluv]

44 minutes ago, Annoynymous said:

I consider myself 15% blue, 30% orange, 50% green and 5% yellow. Kinda mixed up!!

That’s a nice mix.

I love it when my easy-going green side chills out my serious analytic Orange side. 

[Annoynymous]

42 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

That’s a nice mix.

I love it when my easy-going green side chills out my serious analytic Orange side. 

I used to be very analytical at one point in my life. Trust me, It hurts to be like that all the time. It feels awesome when i let go of my analysis and enjoy just being with myself

[Leo Gura]

60's revolution = Orange to Green

[Michael569]

8 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

I was just wondering what an Orange to Green revolution would look like. Would the Greens fight with hugs and soy lattes?

look up "Vegan Gains" on youtube and look at the comments people leave him...that's Orange being presented with Green. 

[SFRL]

9 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

I was just wondering what an Orange to Green revolution would look like. Would the Greens fight with hugs and soy lattes?

"Me too" and divorce rape, as the mob mentality and guillotine. 

[TomDashingPornstar]

45 minutes ago, SFRL said:

"Me too" and divorce rape, as the mob mentality and guillotine. 

Divorce rape is actually blue/orange because it's an outdated system from way back that no one wants to change for fear of political fallout.

"Me too", completely disregards the safety of men.  And ignores that it's a problem.  Feminists are stage orange as they do nothing but promote self interest.

Edited October 10, 2018 by TomDashingPornstar

[CreamCat]

24 minutes ago, TomDashingPornstar said:

#MeToo movement is just orange behavior if you're a woman promoting your group's interest over another.

At one point, green people protested against selling rabbit meat in marts. They didn't mind selling cow meat or pig meat. How is rabbit's life more valuable than that of cow or pig? I guess that they favor rabbits over cows and pigs because rabbits are cute and people raise rabbits as pets. Green people are often seen to advance special interests of one group over another. Green's love is still very conditional and very specific.

As Leo said, people are self-centered across the board. As a corollary to self-centeredness, people are also localist. Localism leads to an obvious conclusion that humans will wage wars to stop others from selling human meat. Self is localist.

This dynamic doesn't change when it comes to biological sex.

Edited October 10, 2018 by CreamCat

[TomDashingPornstar]

@Emerald Is there any area of society where you think maybe straight men don't have it better than everyone else?

 

Edited October 10, 2018 by TomDashingPornstar

[TomDashingPornstar]

@CreamCat

In this case it's self-interest, so it does matter what the biological sex is.  That's the difference between orange and green.  Compassion for others vs me, me, me.

#ProtectOurBoys would be an example of women behaving in a Green paradigm.  Not only are they standing up for a marginalized group, but it's done of compassion

Edited October 10, 2018 by TomDashingPornstar

[CreamCat]

@Shiva It's good to see naked protesters from time to time for novelty.

Edited October 10, 2018 by CreamCat

[CreamCat]

@TomDashingPornstar You assume that Green people don't have self. Their selves are strong.