On What Basis do You Have to Conclude that the Relative and the Absolute Must be One?

[Joseph Maynor]

And also please explain how you're using the ambiguous terms 'Relative' and 'Absolute'.

Where is this word 'must' coming from -- in the sense of "'must' be one"?   That sounds like covertly buying into what we might call a logical conclusion or logical necessity.  

Edited October 5, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[cirkussmile]

Relative = everything that we know, world of forms, phenomena, universe and multiverses and everything that seems to happen in the past, now and future.

Absolute = The only thing that can fully satisfy 24/7. Unconditional love, bliss.

And from this we want to know if they are one. From what I can see, they are only separate with the mind. Without mind (thoughts), I can not tell the difference. 

If I can’t find a difference I can conclude that they have to be one. 

I can also say that the relative exists as illusion because of the nature of experience which is constant change without ground.

Without thoughts I have no idea what different even means ❤️??

[SgtPepper]

because relative is couched in absolute and vice versa.

[Shin]

Mental masturbation 101. ?

[Joseph Maynor]

1 hour ago, Shin said:

Mental masturbation 101. ?

Leo said it not me.  And I quote -- 

"Relative and Absolute must be ONE. God's creation is not separate from God, it IS God!" -- Leo Gura

Source of quote:

 

Edited October 6, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[Saumaya]

Its actually more like Relative doesnt exist, and Absolute is all there is. You could also say relative is the apparent reality and absolute is the real reality. Its a matter of seeing. Relative seems real because of identification with memory and logic. Thats how I see it

[Joseph Maynor]

3 minutes ago, Saumaya said:

Its actually more like Relative doesnt exist, and Absolute is all there is. You could also say relative is the apparent reality and absolute is the real reality. Its a matter of seeing. Relative seems real because of identification with memory and logic. Thats how I see it

Exactly.  You and me are on a very similar page on this issue.  

Edited October 6, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[Shin]

1 minute ago, Saumaya said:

Its actually more like Relative doesnt exist, and Absolute is all there is. You could also say relative is the apparent reality and absolute is the real reality. Its a matter of seeing. Relative seems real because of identification with memory and logic. Thats how I see it

I thought you were leaving ? ?

[Saumaya]

6 minutes ago, Shin said:

I thought you were leaving ? ?

I come sometimes, but yh I am not a regular.

You seem to be back

[Leo Gura]

If you are distinguishing God from its Creation, you are still in duality.

[Hellspeed]

It's a trap!

[Rinne]

12 hours ago, Shin said:

Mental masturbation 101. ?

^

[Nahm]

17 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

And also please explain how you're using the ambiguous terms 'Relative' and 'Absolute'.

Where is this word 'must' coming from -- in the sense of "'must' be one"?   That sounds like covertly buying into what we might call a logical conclusion or logical necessity.  

It can’t be any other way because I am alone. 

[Shin]

29 minutes ago, Nahm said:

It can’t be any other way because I am alone. 

That's not true I love you ! ?❤?

 

Edited October 6, 2018 by Shin

[Nahm]

@Shin love you too!❤️

[Nahm]

@Joseph Maynor

Hey Jo. I love you. 

[How to be wise]

@Joseph Maynor The distinction between duality and non-duality is the final duality! Ta-da!