Can Leo teach enlightenment if he is not enlightened?

[CreamCat]

Leo said he was not enlightened on this forum.

If you were not enlightened, how could you teach enlightenment to others? Isn't it like a blind person leading other blind people in a maze?

Edited October 3, 2018 by CreamCat

[Malelekakis]

@CreamCat exactly 

[Rilles]

Then go watch someone else, there are thousands of enlightened people out there. 

https://www.poehm.com/en/list-of-enlightened-people/

Heres a list. ?

Edited October 3, 2018 by Rilles

[CreamCat]

@Rilles I watch Leo Gura primarily for practical stuff which he excels at. Also, an unenlightened person like me cannot recognize enlightened people. I can only approximate by reputation.

Edited October 3, 2018 by CreamCat

[Shin]

He can, he will, he must !

?

[Rilles]

5 minutes ago, CreamCat said:

@Rilles I watch Leo Gura primarily for practical stuff which he excels at. Also, an unenlightened person like me cannot recognize enlightened people. I can only approximate by reputation.

You can recognize an enlightened being by the call and response ratio in his conversation, if he takes more than 1 minute to respond a to a question then he is lost in INFINITY which means he is enlightened. You didnt know this? Phew rookie

 

 

 

 

[Tistepiste]

Really? He hasn't reached enlightenment?

[CreamCat]

He was probably enlightened during his psychedelics sessions.

 

Edited October 3, 2018 by CreamCat

[Prabhaker]

27 minutes ago, CreamCat said:

Leo said he was not enlightened on this forum.

Leo is teaching enlightenment to the beginners, he is not teaching to the mystics.

[Shin]

25 minutes ago, Rilles said:

You can recognize an enlightened being by the call and response ratio in his conversation, if he takes more than 1 minute to respond a to a question then he is lost in INFINITY which means he is enlightened. You didnt know this? Phew rookie

 

 

 

 

So if I want a lot of teachers for free, I should go to a madhouse ?

Make sense !

[Leo Gura]

Teaching enlightenment is actually the easiest gig in the world. Any fool can do it.

Here's the formula:

Step #1: What are you?

Step #2: Whatever object you find that you think you are, you're wrong.

Step #3: Repeat steps #1 and #2 until enlightenment happens.

In fact, we could program a 1980's computer to teach people enlightenment.

Or just go do some 5-MeO-DMT and you'll instantly understand what enlightenment is.

[Blissout]

No he can't.

[Rilles]

10 minutes ago, Shin said:

So if I want a lot of teachers for free, I should go to a madhouse ?

Make sense !

Youre already in a madhouse, its called society. 

[lmfao]

@CreamCat There's nothing you can say to teach about enlightenment, all a guru can do is just keep pointing and pointing towards the traps your awareness falls in. Thoughts, language and communication are all apart of one happening like everything else so you create a paradox when trying to communicate enlightenment. Like honestly,  when I'm trying to be aware of the process of me typing on this forum I feel as though the words coming out of my mind is just baseless gibberish. 

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[How to be wise]

@CreamCat You can also see the delusion in that trip. He said “I’m scared that this awakened state will leave me, but I don’t see how that’s possible.” Haha. It did leave him. He was wrong. Although maybe it’s because in the awakened state, there is no duality between remaining and leaving, or some insight of that sort. So you can say that he was right in that the experience did not leave him.

[Sven]

I get what you mean but I think the question is a distraction @CreamCat

Edited October 3, 2018 by Sven

[Flammable]

@CreamCat  In a way it is even better because he is well-informed (which you can judge from his videos/vlogs), but he still understands your perspective of things and the world as he is/was scientifically minded. 

In a way it would be harder for you to learn from people like Peter Ralston who would just shout 'SNAP OUT OF IT' at your face. The enlightened masters sometimes cannot even bring themselves down to your perspective in order to give you 'practical' advice on what to actually do or not do.

Edited October 3, 2018 by Flammable

[Tistepiste]

@Leo Gura But you're so knowledgeable in the field, done so many things, know so many concepts. But you still haven't achieved it.

Kind of demotivating isn't it?

[Shin]

1 hour ago, Rilles said:

Youre already in a madhouse, its called society. 

But they sure talk faster than a one second window ???

[CreamCat]

Is society actually a madhouse or a mental institution?