The truth has nothing to do with happiness or fulfillment

[Mafortu]

Food for thought. I maybe totally wrong, but hear me out 

The spectrum of human emotions is contained within truth, it is the metric by which we all measure worth and meaning. Sadness, happiness.. are just tiny little pixels inside an ever growing and ever exploring canvas of creation and possibilities. The truth is information and connectivity, all emotions, be them positive or negative, serve the ultimate purpose of truth. Discovery.

Hellish nightmares, or divine experiences, are equal to truth. 
Truth WANTS you to experience the divine, as well as the nightmare. It doesn't care if you get one or the other, discovery is all that matters. Data is all that there is.

[SoonHei]

@Mafortu yes you're right

 

and it is there without bound

there is no limit to how positive or negative one can feel

what is scary is that you can really be at any part or level within the INFINITE 

so be thankful for where you are, what you have, how you are

that you are not born blind, disabled or whatever

and for those born blind, be thankful you are not deaf or can't talk or are missing an arm

the list goes on

 

that's why being every deeply thankful is so important

it keeps your vibe energy up and keeps you happy and accepting of WHAT-IS - especially that which you cannot change 

 

yes. truth has nothing to do with happiness/fullfillment - except that it does.

 

what you have to see is that when you say happiness - you automatically think only happy human experieinces (sex, money, food, freedom, no struggle) but the happiness that TRUTH does have something to do with is the Happiness with a capital H - which really truly just means ACCEPTANCE OF WHAT IS

 

that is what happiness is

normally, when we as ego-humans are normally happy it is usually for normal happy situations a human ego-mind imagines again same examples as above (sex, money, food, good life etc...) 

but how exactly does that emotion arise? deeply? if we investigate, we realize that we yield that emotion we call "happiness" when we are FULLY ACCEPTING OF WHAT IS 

 

Laughter for example is a great way to see this. you hear a joke or see the funny side of something. you laugh, you are fully in that moment. accepting it so deeply that for that split few seconds in which you are laughing you do not exist but as laughter ! no past, no future, no worry

 

now imagine being in that state and INFINITELY MORE POWERFUL release of this happiness emotion - FOR NO APPARENT REASON!

that's what full awakening is. no matter what the story/your experieince... you are accepting of it. (truly happy)

if a family member dies. sure you are not "happy" as in laughing and smiling (you may very well be) but happiness of that moment yet again would be full acceptance of it. no resistance to that fact that one has passed away. no resisting the ISNESS of the moment and being completely accepting of it, therefore no suffering

 

<3 

[Nahm]

@Mafortu

Where’d ya get that from?

[Mafortu]

3 hours ago, SoonHei said:

@Mafortu yes you're right

 

and it is there without bound

there is no limit to how positive or negative one can feel

what is scary is that you can really be at any part or level within the INFINITE 

so be thankful for where you are, what you have, how you are

that you are not born blind, disabled or whatever

and for those born blind, be thankful you are not deaf or can't talk or are missing an arm

the list goes on

 

that's why being every deeply thankful is so important

it keeps your vibe energy up and keeps you happy and accepting of WHAT-IS - especially that which you cannot change 

 

yes. truth has nothing to do with happiness/fullfillment - except that it does.

 

what you have to see is that when you say happiness - you automatically think only happy human experieinces (sex, money, food, freedom, no struggle) but the happiness that TRUTH does have something to do with is the Happiness with a capital H - which really truly just means ACCEPTANCE OF WHAT IS

 

that is what happiness is

normally, when we as ego-humans are normally happy it is usually for normal happy situations a human ego-mind imagines again same examples as above (sex, money, food, good life etc...) 

but how exactly does that emotion arise? deeply? if we investigate, we realize that we yield that emotion we call "happiness" when we are FULLY ACCEPTING OF WHAT IS 

 

Laughter for example is a great way to see this. you hear a joke or see the funny side of something. you laugh, you are fully in that moment. accepting it so deeply that for that split few seconds in which you are laughing you do not exist but as laughter ! no past, no future, no worry

 

now imagine being in that state and INFINITELY MORE POWERFUL release of this happiness emotion - FOR NO APPARENT REASON!

that's what full awakening is. no matter what the story/your experieince... you are accepting of it. (truly happy)

if a family member dies. sure you are not "happy" as in laughing and smiling (you may very well be) but happiness of that moment yet again would be full acceptance of it. no resistance to that fact that one has passed away. no resisting the ISNESS of the moment and being completely accepting of it, therefore no suffering

 

<3 

Thanks, I agree with all you said.

I wasn't trying to discredit enlightenment, its value is, well, invaluable. What I was really trying to say is, butterflies are beautiful, but so are worms. 

People often chase enlightenment to get away from the pain, they are looking for happiness in truth, instead of looking for truth for truth's sake.

[SoonHei]

10 minutes ago, Mafortu said:

butterflies are beautiful, but so are worms. 

@Mafortu indeed <3 

and if you've got an open enough mind then these are all also equally beautiful: war, torture, rape, murder etc...

and of course, it is the case when the point of view is that of the TRUTH

the one getting raped or tortured would very strongly disagree with you and I here, and rightly so  

[Shin]

Then why Jesus, Rumi and almost every spiritual teacher of our age talk about divine/unconditional love ?

Are they just lying to bait us ?

?

[SoonHei]

@Shin no. dont think so. i think that is the place from where they are speaking from. from their perspective it is all love/unconditional love  (directly translated to complete acceptance of what IS - 100%)

[Shin]

8 minutes ago, SoonHei said:

@Shin no. dont think so. i think that is the place from where they are speaking from. from their perspective it is all love/unconditional love  (directly translated to complete acceptance of what IS - 100%)

They also say there is nothing that can fulfilling you because you're already 100% complete and talk about a deep sense of peace from which comes a permanent joy.

So, I could be wrong, but isn't it all about happiness and fulfillement ? ?

[SoonHei]

@Shin yes

they are talking about the YOU - the only REAL YOU DEEP DOWN is what is 100% complete and fulfilled.

but tell that to someone suffering on the streets as a homeless person - it does not make sense. for that homeless person is living out of his ego / associating with his body+mind

while the association of the body+mind happens - unconditional happiness cannot be realized.

 

once again, to make it simple, it is indeed all about happiness and fulfillment - but a direct way of grasping what is being said is 100% Acceptance of What-IS

[Joseph Maynor]

What is this “Truth wants you . . .”?  You’ve personified Truth.  Truth is not a being, not an organism.  The word ‘Truth’ is so ambiguous that it begs to be misunderstood.  Whoever put the word ‘Truth’ in this work ahead of the better word ‘Reality’ should be reprimanded posthumously for causing so much needless confusion.  Substitute “What is True?” for “What is Real?”

Edited October 2, 2018 by Joseph Maynor