A cave man’s notion of reality is more truer than a scientist’s

[How to be wise]

@Mikael89 Just buy the book ‘Loving What Is’ in English.

[Your place at Heart]

9 hours ago, How to be wise said:

I realised this a few minutes ago. A caveman spends less time thinking about reality than a scientist. So a caveman believes only what he sees. A scientist on the other hand believes in planets and space and cells and chemicals, all of which do not exist. That’s because thinking always takes you further away from the truth. A caveman, who believes what he senses, is also not fully correct, but he has less ‘wrong ideas’ about reality than the scientist. So it will be easier for the caveman to reach enlightenment than the scientist, because the caveman has less beliefs about reality, and so is more connected to the absolute. If you found any holes in this theory, I’d like to hear it. But if this theory is true, then it would have been a lot easier to reach enlightenment in the past than now because of modern science and all of its beliefs.

To be enlightened is to return to your original human caveman primal state.

You obviously European descent person, may be conservative or liberal, christian  or had those backgrounds and now you shadowed them. You may think of yourself as more privileged or 1st world person who believe in human rights and free speech and science and so you and your country and race are ahead of most of the world, or may be you are liberal and you shadow these beliefs in the back of your mind and on surface you believe that everyone is equal, everyone is You, but your mind still holds on to the beliefs you try to supress. All those labels we give ourselves, carry with them dictionaries and ideas and terms and so they constantly bombard you and make your life worse as they work from behind the scene of your conscious mind. To be enlightened is to eliminate all those conditioning labels and beliefs with all of their web of contents.

[Your place at Heart]

Imagine each label you give yourself unconsciously is actually 10,000+ pages book inside your brain. Christian, Muslim, Liberal, Conservative, democrat Free spirited, Scientific minded, athletic, open minded,gay...etc. How much illusion burden You take inside that literally cripple you from living life the way a caveman does. These Illusions feel like carrying 100,000 physical books on your head.

[Joseph Maynor]

How about this one: a scientist who becomes an ascetic caveman.  That's kind of what Stage Coral is (if we think of Yellow turning into Coral).  The teacher turned ascetic (if we think of Turquoise turning into Coral).

Edited September 28, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[tsuki]

17 hours ago, How to be wise said:

If you found any holes in this theory, I’d like to hear it. But if this theory is true, then it would have been a lot easier to reach enlightenment in the past than now because of modern science and all of its beliefs.

@How to be wise Well, the question is: do you believe the theory you just created yourself? If you don't, then what's the point of sharing it?

There is a vast difference between unconscious and conscious absence of the mind.
There is a difference between a Zen master and a newborn baby.
There is a difference between transcendence of the mind and not having any in the first place.

Edited September 28, 2018 by tsuki

[Preetom]

22 minutes ago, tsuki said:

There is a vast difference between unconscious and conscious absence of the mind.
There is a difference between a Zen master and a newborn baby.
There is a difference between transcendence of the mind and not having any in the first place.

One is pre-egoic state, another is post-egoic

[tsuki]

2 hours ago, Preetom said:

One is pre-egoic state, another is post-egoic

While both are non-egoic.
I like to imagine that after non-dual realization of no self, there will be another, higher-order ego that will eventually emerge.
From that point of view, we would look like cavemen .

[Preetom]

30 minutes ago, tsuki said:

I like to imagine that after non-dual realization of no self, there will be another, higher-order ego that will eventually emerge.
From that point of view, we would look like cavemen .

This just shows that your search is not over yet. Nothing wrong with that. No need to call off the search prematurely. The search must die out on it's own.

I remember the videos where Leo interviewed Peter Ralston. At that time, Leo was a spiritual noob (no offence ). He asked Peter at one point what if there are higher order Realities after transcending this one. Peter just stared back with a dumbfounded look probably thinking what is this guy smoking? After few seconds he just replied, '' The Absolute is Absolute''

 

Edited September 28, 2018 by Preetom

[Barry J]

41 minutes ago, tsuki said:

I like to imagine that after non-dual realization of no self, there will be another, higher-order ego that will eventually emerge.

Sorry to disappoint but there ain’t nothin’ after the fact

[tsuki]

38 minutes ago, Preetom said:

This just shows that your search is not over yet. Nothing wrong with that. No need to call off the search prematurely. The search must die out on it's own.

@Preetom Yeah, I get it. It's just imagination.

24 minutes ago, Barry J said:

Sorry to disappoint but there ain’t nothin’ after the fact

@Barry J Not disappointed at all.