Jordan Peterson on psilocybin mushroom studies

[tsuki]

 

[hundreth]

He's just a stage blue conservative who panders to incels. Nothing of value here. 

[SgtPepper]

A lot better and informative people to listen to on psychedelics. I like JP, but he's out of his league when it comes to psychedelics. There's a lot more to it than his one experience on mushrooms and his interpretation of the few studies we have on it.

If anything read the material by the scientists actually conducting the studies or individuals who have multiple experiences

Roland Griffith, James Fadiman, Rick Doblin, Stanislav Grof, Richard Louis Millar, Terence Mckenna, Joe Rogan, Timothy Leary.

Literally so many more individuals who are more knowledgable than JP on this subject.

[Forestluv]

For someone with limited knowledge and experience with psychedelics, I thought he presented the data fairly - acknowledging both the strengths and limits of the studies.

Overall, I think this is an accurate and reasonable presentation on psychedelic therapy. To me, he appears as a competent psychologist with general knowledge of psychedelic therapy. He isn't a specialist, yet he stayed within his knowledge and experience range and did not make statements/conclusions he isn't qualified to make.

My only minor criticism is that I think he slightly over-stated the risks of psychedelics. Yet his overall message is that the benefits and potential of psychedelics outweigh the risks. I think this is pitched at the right level for a general audience. 

Based on this talk, I think JP is a good advocate for increasing awareness of psychedelic therapy benefits to the general population. 

[tsuki]

@Serotoninluv I think that you listened too much to your image of who Peterson is, and too little to what he actually said in the video.
What about the rest of the talk in which he seemed genuinely impressed by the results of the study?

I'm not a Peterson fanboy, but I'm definitely a fan of not bashing him for something he's not guilty of.

Edited September 25, 2018 by tsuki

[tsuki]

@SgtPepper It's not about information on psylocybin, but on Peterson's stance towards it.

Related video that I found:

 

Edited September 25, 2018 by tsuki

[Forestluv]

7 minutes ago, tsuki said:

@Serotoninluv I think that you listened too much to your image of who Peterson is, and too little to what he actually said in the video.
What about the rest of the talk in which he seemed genuinely impressed by the results of the study?

I'm not a Peterson fanboy, but I'm definitely a fan of not bashing him for something he's not guilty of.

I agree. I just watched the whole video and thought JP did a good job explaining the benefits and potential of psychedelic therapy to a general audience. We need a lot more public talks like this one to overcome the fallacious stigma of psychedelics. I edited my original post to reflect this.

[Malelekakis]

@hundreth just another close minded human being seeing everything from his limited lense, not giving a chance to thoughts and ideas, constantly criticising and staying in his limited narrowed view point. Nothing of value here. 

[hundreth]

12 minutes ago, Malelekakis said:

@hundreth just another close minded human being seeing everything from his limited lense, not giving a chance to thoughts and ideas, constantly criticising and staying in his limited narrowed view point. Nothing of value here. 

It was sarcasm. Just ball busting the forum for it's usual stance on all things JP here.

[Barry J]

1 hour ago, Malelekakis said:

@hundreth just another close minded human being seeing everything from his limited lense, not giving a chance to thoughts and ideas, constantly criticising and staying in his limited narrowed view point. Nothing of value here. 

Sounds like most people on this forum haha

[tsuki]

@Leo Gura Does this influence your stance towards Peterson in any way?

[Malelekakis]

@hundreth oh sorry! 

@Barry J seems like spiral dynamics is our new ideology and everything below yellow has no value. 

[YaMayka]

Sorry - I will put it as a bit of an off-topic but still related (didn't want to start another JP subject ;))

It is Leo and Jordan as a team Internet is great