I wish Jordan Peterson wasn't such a pussy sometimes lol

[Forestluv]

5 minutes ago, Outer said:

Well, I am in Green-ville. A social experiment of your Green movement.

You’re not green in this area. Forced monogamy is akin to gay conversion therapy. It’s a hardcore blue position.

[Forestluv]

2 minutes ago, Outer said:

I'm in Green-ville but I'm not Green.

Each person is a muxture of colors. You might be Green in some areas. 

JP is hardcore blue in that video.  If that resonates with you, then you are blue in this area. 

[Forestluv]

1 minute ago, Outer said:

Are you confusing forced marriage with forced monogamy? The latter just means it's hard to divorce.

No. I’m referring to forced monogamy for people that are unmarried and don’t want children. Forcing people with a polyamory orientation to be monogamous is akin to forcing people with a homosexual orientation to have heterosexual sex. These views are as blue as it gets regarding sexuality 

[Juan Cruz Giusto]

I have read 12 Rules of Life and to be honest, it is good advice. It is shallow but good advice nevertheless. The problem with his teaching is that will take you so far. It is full of dogma, anger, and resentment. I would take it with a grain of salt.

[Forestluv]

12 minutes ago, Outer said:

If I am blue in that area I am blue. I know the results of polygamy anecdotally as I haven't grown up with a father, also on a larger population the effects it has.

If you want to transition out of blue. . . first, drop the “polygamy” bit. It’s polyamory- we are not talking about polygamy. Second and more challenging: polyamory is a sexual orientation. Just like you have a monogamous orientation, others have a polyamory orientation. This isn’t about people sleeping around. It’s about people with a polyamory orientation.

How would you like it if society forced you to be polyamorous?

[cirkussmile]

2 minutes ago, Outer said:

If I am blue in that area I am blue. I know the results of polygamy as I haven't grown up with a father.

It’s your job to grow up! Don’t blame anyone. In fact, you are here and you have the opportunity to grow up, you have everything you need. Imagine all the others in your situation, I don’t think they complain like you because I don’t think they are fortunate enough to see. 

Go deep, find out why you are still bitter.  Meditate or do something other than complaining about your situation. I belive you have a lot of intelectual knowledge.

I am not the one who should be tired of you. You should!  

 

[Forestluv]

16 minutes ago, Outer said:

I think what he means with forced monogamy culture and society is that divorce is harder and marriage is more wide-spread.

Part of the beauty of the video is that JP tried to veil his position to what you wrote. Joe pulled JP’s veil off and exposed his bullshit. It was a thing of beauty. 

If I were the host, I would have pushed it further and get JP to admit he wants to prohibit threesomes and swinger parties. Both are non-monogamous 

[SgtPepper]

Personally I like JP. I won't follow him like a Guru, but I think he is a great at what he does as a Clinical Psychologist. I also own his 12 rules for life and I am about half way done with it. There is a lot of good practical advice, stories, and I chucked several times reading it.

I get why people criticize him here, maybe It's still the orange in me, but I appreciate his stern and careful view of life. And in this video regarding psychedelics, I kind of don't think he's wrong. He acknowledges that psychedelics are a very serious experience and even mentions the need of doing purifying rituals before undergoing an experience.

We also have to consider that JP has probably seen some shit in his years as a Clinical Psychologist and so very hesitant about glorifying psychedelics especially as an academic. I also agree with Leo that he has a strong fearful personality, but I can appreciate it. 

[Forestluv]

19 minutes ago, SgtPepper said:

We also have to consider that JP has probably seen some shit in his years as a Clinical Psychologist and so very hesitant about glorifying psychedelics especially as an academic.

Why? 

Scientific clinical studies have shown psychedelics help people with mental illness. He has no concern as a clinical psycoligist or as an academic acknowledging this. These were academic, clinical psychology studies. I’m an academic and cover psychedelic therapy in my neuroscience course. It’s also commonly taught in psychology courses. JP must know this - or he has his head completely in the sand. MDMA for PTSD therapy is in stage III clinical trials for goodness sake.

[Leo Gura]

By JP's logic we should abolish capitalism and install socialism.

JP is bitching about sexual inequality while being completely oblivious of the most glaring inequality in society: money & power!

The entire argument for socialism is that the money and power hierarchy has become way too steep to the point of destabilizing society.

Yet all of this is totally lost on JP as he worries about feminists robbing men of the sexual power they amassed over centuries of stage Blue patriarchy.

The way a stage Blue ego-mind works is, it is hyper-sensitive to the dangers of new progressive ideas, but totally in denial of the destabilizing dangers of the status quo. Because fundamentally, stage Blue ego is fighting to defend the status quo regardless of what the status quo is or does. That is Blue's agenda. That is JP's agenda.

Somehow tens of millions of poor wage slaves is okay, but tens of thousands of sexually incompetent incels is a giant problem in need of a socialist-like redistribution of vagina. How convenient that redistribution of power is totally fine, and even paramount, so long as the power is being redistributed back to the top of the old Blue hierarchy. The top on which JP and his fanboys would like to make their nest.

JP is a rooster squawking because his roost is being removed.

[Gabriel Antonio]

@Leo Gura "All criticism is untenable" lol 

[Leo Gura]

@Gabriel Antonio That's right, especially all of JP's criticisms of Green.

What's being pointed out here is the self-biased nature of the ego-mind.

[Forestluv]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yet all of this is totally lost on JP as he worries about feminists robbing men of the sexual power they amassed over centuries of stage Blue patriarchy.

JP cringed when Joe asked him about women who don’t want to get married, don’t want children and want to have multiple sexual partners. I think JP is threatened by empowering women to make these sexual choices for themselves. 

[Leo Gura]

@Serotoninluv Of course, that's classic Blue: "Women are here to serve men because they are the weaker gender and need men to defend them from being stolen by other men."

Which is why the alt-right is so obsessed with cucking. It's a projection of their own fears.

There's nothing original about this value system. It's been the dominant value system for over 1000 years. But now it is dying in Western democratic countries all over the world. But Blue will not let it go. Hence people JP construct a clingy ideology to counteract the inevitable.

[SgtPepper]

1 hour ago, Serotoninluv said:

Why? 

Scientific clinical studies have shown psychedelics help people with mental illness. He has no concern as a clinical psycoligist or as an academic acknowledging this. These were academic, clinical psychology studies. I’m an academic and cover psychedelic therapy in my neuroscience course. It’s also commonly taught in psychology courses. JP must know this - or he has his head completely in the sand. MDMA for PTSD therapy is in stage III clinical trials for goodness sake.

Unfortunately, I'd say you're in the minority 

I have a Bachelors (2016) and Masters (2018) in Psychology from well-known accredited institutions in NJ. In my whole education there was one professor who taught the historical and modern viewpoints in psychology who mentioned psychedelic mushrooms once during the semester even recommending trying it. One professor said he had heard that psychedelic mushrooms had some benefits, but then followed that with that LSD made you see hallucinations of unicorns. Honestly, most of my professors appeared completely clueless about them, like the most they knew was what was seen from their clinical practice and what they learned from D.A.R.E. Of course, I did not speak to everyone about my interest in psychedelics, only a few teachers who I read were open-minded enough to hear about it, but their focus was in other parts of psychology.

In addition, what clinical psychologists experience in their clinical practice is most likely a situation where somebody didn't have enough education or understanding of how to use a psychedelic and then had a awful situation occur. This probably heavily factors about their beliefs about psychedelics.

JP may feel its not his role, or that he does not know enough about it to really be a force for it. 

@Leo Gura

You make a lot of solid points. 

What JP fears is another communism again, as in one man with an ideology being used to make the masses submit. That is a valid concern since it has happened in history and one wants to avoid it. I'm not saying that's what socialism leads to either. 

JP just tells us about his observation and I enjoy his analysis on the Bible, facism, and psychology of evil, stuff like that. 

[SageModeAustin]

@lmfao Yeah I know, but still you would think that a guy who studies psychology for a living would take consciousness work seriously. But I guess not. 

[Leo Gura]

36 minutes ago, SgtPepper said:

What JP fears is another communism again, as in one man with an ideology being used to make the masses submit. That is a valid concern since it has happened in history and one wants to avoid it.

It's not a valid concern because: A) no mainstream person anywhere is advocating communism or Marxism, B) stage Green is not communism. There is not a single communist elected official in America.

You have to start to become aware of capitalist propaganda. It goes almost unnoticed in the US.

Read some Noam Chomsky if you want to understand how this propaganda game works.

Valid political concerns would be: gross income inequality, corporate corruption of government through lobbying and dark money, the military-industrial complex pushing for endless wars and arms deals, 50,000+ people dying every year from corporate pushing of prescription opioid drugs, and environmental pollution which gives people cancer and disease.

These are real measurable issues that kill tens of thousands of people very year. These issues need solutions which stage Blue & Orange cannot provide. Only Green+ can attempt to solve those problems.

[Forestluv]

1 hour ago, SgtPepper said:

Unfortunately, I'd say you're in the minority 

I have a Bachelors (2016) and Masters (2018) in Psychology from well-known accredited institutions in NJ. In my whole education there was one professor who taught the historical and modern viewpoints in psychology who mentioned psychedelic mushrooms once during the semester even recommending trying it. One professor said he had heard that psychedelic mushrooms had some benefits, but then followed that with that LSD made you see hallucinations of unicorns. Honestly, most of my professors appeared completely clueless about them, like the most they knew was what was seen from their clinical practice and what they learned from D.A.R.E. Of course, I did not speak to everyone about my interest in psychedelics, only a few teachers who I read were open-minded enough to hear about it, but their focus was in other parts of psychology.

In addition, what clinical psychologists experience in their clinical practice is most likely a situation where somebody didn't have enough education or understanding of how to use a psychedelic and then had a awful situation occur. This probably heavily factors about their beliefs about psychedelics.

It sounds like those professors were uninformed and took no position on psychedelics. That is very different than a clinical psychologist / academic taking a misinformed stand on psychedelics in the national media. Academics hold themselves to a higher standard. I find it hard to believe that a clinical psycholgist / academic could make such obvious errors in the national spotlight without being told.

I’m not  giving JP a pass here. It’s grossly negligent and unprofessional of a man in his position to make such ill-informed statements in national media. It reinforces the false stigma of psychedelics and puts more of a burden on the true clinical psychologists that are working tirelessly to develop therapy that will reduce mental suffering. JP could be uninformed and unprofessional or he could be an informed heartless hack that cares more about his image than people suffering from depression and PTSD. 

[SageModeAustin]

@Serotoninluv

27 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

I’m not  giving JP a pass here. It’s grossly negligent and unprofessional of a man in his position to make such ill-informed statements in national media. It reinforces the false stigma of psychedlucs and puts more of a burden on the true clinical psychologists that are working tirelessly to develop therapy that will reduce mental suffering. JP could be uninformed and unprofessional or he could be an informed heartless dick that cares more about his image than people suffering from depression and PTSD. 

Well said. 

Edited September 20, 2018 by SageModeAustin

[SgtPepper]

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not a valid concern because: A) no mainstream person anywhere is advocating communism or Marxism, B) stage Green is not communism. There is not a single communist elected official in America.

You have to start to become aware of capitalist propaganda. It goes almost unnoticed in the US.

Read some Noam Chomsky if you want to understand how this propaganda game works.

Valid political concerns would be: gross income inequality, corporate corruption of government through lobbying and dark money, the military-industrial complex pushing for endless wars and arms deals, 50,000+ people dying every year from corporate pushing of prescription opioid drugs, and environmental pollution which gives people cancer and disease.

These are real measurable issues that kill tens of thousands of people very year. These issues need solutions which stage Blue & Orange cannot provide. Only Green+ can attempt to solve those problems.

Leo, you are absolutely right those are very serious issues. And I care about those things. To me, JP is pointing to those top capitalist who are using their influence to use propaganda in the media and lobby the government in an effort to create a totalitarian system. I think JP and libertarianism sprang up for this reason. Even JP in his book talks about not being an ideologue about anything. I went through a phase of libertarianism, watched some Milton Friedman material, I felt it was necessary to really understand the effect of individualism, but I also saw its limitations. Which I believe there is an alternative to the capitalism we have now and the communism that happened then. 

perhaps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism