Godel’s Incompletness: Am I pointing at myself?

[Ar_Senses]

Hey there, can you please share some thoughts with me about these questions.

In the video about Godel’s incompletness theory @Leo Gura explained that systems can refer on themselves, so you’ll need to go meta, to ground that system into reasonable explanation, but therefore you'll need to explain your meta explanation and go meta again and this process will never end (because of infinite nature of everything).

But I’m interested into understanding that ability of systems to refer on itself. In  the video you can find some examples on how does it works: You can use English language to talk about English language. So you using System to refer on it.

My question is next: am I (Ego, Survival system), for example, the one who thinking and at the same time the one, who puts some efforts to not to think?

Before I was naively thinking that I’m and my Ego is kinda different things, but now I’m think that this is one complex system. 

I guess this is what was about Leo’s quote: “be melting snow: wash yourself from yourself”

But I can't comprehend - how does I’m the one who want to (ultimately) die and at the same point the one who striving to survive?

But what phenomena then called “higher self” - is it Healthier Ego or something  beyond the self at all?

Edited September 15, 2018 by Ar_Senses
More accurate

[Nahm]

@Ar_Senses The one to see through is the same one which strives, efforts, try’s, etc. “Strive” is not actuality, it’s a thought impressed upon actuality. Or, there is true inspiration and divinity, the perfect flow of love, divine flow of all appearing relativity in perfect harmony, absolute perfection - and a body / brain, witnessing what’s happening, says “I am this person, striving”. The perfection, the ever lasting synchronicity, is unnaccessable with thought. Thought “finites things” inherently by the nature of thought, but there are no things, finite is appearing, you are infinite, appearing as finite things. Thinking says “I am this one” “this body & brain”  “this here finite thing with the brain and senses, aware of all these other finite things”. Without thought, no more finite- pure inspiration, intuition, flow, ‘in the zone’, blissful. Thinking there is one system is still thought dividing, a hint at how divisive thinking is.  Nothing is ever added. Deconstruction always leads to Nothing / Emptiness - synchronicstic, infinite, perfection - All Is Well/God/You. All else is thought, believed, as in “I now have increased consciousness” , or “I am now more”, that “ I “ is always only an a priori thought, because you were already infinite. Can’t add to infinite. Can only deconstruct what you already, through out life, added. “Higher Self” is only words, pointing at self realization. Infinite self, realized as what already is, by the absence of all thinking, all thoughts which imposed finite.  Words are communications, parts, only pointers to what is inbetween the words and inbetween the thoughts. You don’t reach a higher self, you surrender the falsity of the “lower self” the “apart self”, there are not actually parts, just thoughts of parts, which are typically unnoticed, unaware of. That, is were the pain hides, where the fear hides, where doubt is created. Another indication of how tricky thought is, always fragmenting, always saying “I can be this”, “I can be more”, “ I “ “can add to infinity”, ultimately, this is denial of self. Self is infinity. Always was, is, and will be, as time and space are within it, never creating it. 

[Leo Gura]

@Ar_Senses This strange loopiness is only a feature of the symbolic mind.

In the ultimate sense, there is only one substance, one thing in existence, so it is incapable of pointing at itself because it is itself!

Ultimately there is only Being. All symbols collapse into Being.

A snake eating its tail ultimately just turns into a dimensionless dot.

You are the universe trying to point at itself without realizing that pointing is impossible because when you are the whole universe anything you point to is you and anything you point with is also you!

What you are overlooking is Being! Direct Being!

Being cannot be known symbolically. You must BE it.

You must realize that all knowledge and thought is a 2nd order phenomenon, the foundation of which is Being. A 2nd order phenomenon cannot grasp 1st order phenomenon. Just like an image on an LCD screen cannot grasp a pixel because it is made out pixels! An image cannot know pixels because it IS pixels!