Why Are Spiritual People Okay With "I" But Not "Me"

[stevegan928]

Honestly it seems like pure useless semantics like differentiating between consciousness and awareness, awakening and enlightenment. All useless semantic drivel.  

Edited September 11, 2018 by stevegan928

[Misagh]

When it comes to realization, there are levels and those words are meant to denote them. In the model I find to be most accurate it goes from Awakening > self-realization > god consciousness > enlightenment > moksha (true liberation). 

[Shin]

All thoughts create problem !

WE MUST DEPORT THEM !!!

[lmfao]

@Shin top tier profile picture. 

[Toby]

7 hours ago, Misagh said:

When it comes to realization, there are levels and those words are meant to denote them. In the model I find to be most accurate it goes from Awakening > self-realization > god consciousness > enlightenment > moksha (true liberation). 

Did you get feedback from Jan Esmann directly that you are "self realized"?

[Misagh]

@Toby No I have never asked him that question. The only confirmation I've asked of him was for my Kundalini (whether what I was experiencing was Kundalini or not), which he answered 'yes' and that was the end of my correspondence with him. Why do you ask if I may?  

Edited September 11, 2018 by Misagh

[Toby]

Because you are referring to him / his map quite a bit in your posts, so I wondered in what kind of relationship with him you are.

[Forestluv]

@stevegan928 "I" and "me" are terms that make conversation and navigating through life easier. Try being nondual all day without using "I" or "me". It would be very awkward and there would be tons of misunderstandings. 

"I" and "me" terms are a nice tool in a relative word. Just like a saw. Sometimes a saw comes in handy, then we can put it down after doing the job.

[SOUL]

All language is 'semantics' and all words can be drivel but especially the words of whiners because they have no beneficial value.

Edited September 13, 2018 by SOUL

[Nahm]

@stevegan928

Nice to be able to make that statement, now, isn’t it? I’m assuming there was a day when you were not aware of that...?

[Misagh]

@Toby I see what you mean. I've been very receptive towards Kundalini and Enlightenment in general. Have been unconsciously so since childhood. Jan Esman and Ramana Maharshi have been specially instrumental in my case so I do post them a lot. Haven't met Jan Esman yet, but I do plan to eventually. 

[Joseph Maynor]

All there is is me.  That’s the thing that a lot of people don’t yet understand.  It takes keen mindfulness regarding Metaphysics to see this — namely, a serious inquiry into the question: What is real?  And ‘all there is is me’ is seen, it’s not merely a Thought.

Edited September 13, 2018 by Joseph Maynor