Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) Green is the idealistic stage. It's about love, peace and understanding. Green is appreciation of beauty. Green is about kindness and altruistic behaviour. Green is about giving and sharing. Green is about openness, honesty and transparency. The reason we move upwards towards yellow is because we realise how naive the green worldview is. Ralph Waldo Emerson once said.. “Treat a man as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a man as he could be, and he will become what he should be.” The same could be said for the world.. “Treat the world as it is, and it will remain as it is. Treat the world as it could be, and it will become what it should be.” Since green is the idealistic stage, hence we don't see and treat the world as it is, rather we treat the world as it should be. If people don't continue to evolve into the cunning stage of system thinking yellow which is a mind dense stage, and simply decided to stay at green, then green people will soon outnumber people in lower stages and the world will make a transition to stage green as a whole. Governments, courts and media will be based on stage green awareness, hence a much more loving world, less mind, less pointless systems thinking and a much more peaceful and altruistic world. Green is seeing the world as it is minus the evil. We go into yellow because we realise there is evil as well in the world, but if we continue to stay blind to the evil, the world will soon sort itself out from all evil, because if we all become blind to it, it will cease to exist. In seeing evil we let the evil continue to be a part of this world. I'm now doing reverse work to go back from turquoise to the naive stage of green. I have to unlearn the realistic picture of todays world and I have to unlearn about all the evil structures in todays world in order to go back to the naive stage of green again. Naive green will not be naive much longer if we all choose to stay there. Naive green becomes just green as the world and humanity change with our perception of it. And think about it. ALL people that ever changed the world were naive. They didn't see how the world was, they saw what the world could be! Edited September 2, 2018 by MarkusSweden Isn't it so, yes or no? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 2, 2018 In this case, wouldn't evil just get redefined? And raising someone up to be green doesn't inherently mean they will be or stay green unless they wish to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 2, 2018 So first you say green is about honesty and then you suggest to lie to ourselves about things we don't like? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oiBohOG_sc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, FrgttnDeer said: So first you say green is about honesty and then you suggest to lie to ourselves about things we don't like? No, you let yourself be naive. Just as you do when you respect a person who doesn't deserve to have your respect, but that person will notice that you respect him and he will start to behave as someone who deserves respect. That way you are only naive to begin with, the outer world will adjust to how you view it, hence you will not be naive any longer. That way it's evil to be a hardcore realist. You see? Yellow and turquoise are slightly cynical, and if we want to end this cynical world we must first stop viewing it as cynical. Dare to refuse Tier two! I been there, I'm on my way back now. Edited September 2, 2018 by MarkusSweden Isn't it so, yes or no? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) Saying that "it's evil to evolve beyond green" is absurd. Are you proposing that we just stop the spiritual journey all together? Sure it will be good if the state of the ordinary human society becomes predominantly green. But we are here on Actualized.org for a reason - it is to rise above and become turquoise leaders, to show people the way. Not everybody can transcend like this, but for the fact that we are even here on this forum discussing spiral dynamics at all should be a hint into our very lucky position in the vast world. Don't go backwards in your evolution - you might get yourself stuck in the eternal cycle of samsara among everyday human people once again. We are here to transcend the human world! The journey has only just begun! Edited September 2, 2018 by St Clair Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 2, 2018 Why go back instead of integrating stage green and transcend ego, if the aim is to really embody those qualities you mentioned? Then they will most likely be less ideologic and come from a more authentic place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 2, 2018 @MarkusSweden Rising to yellow is an expansion beyond tier 1 thinking. Yellow is not a rejection of green. Yellow is built upon green. A key feature of stage yellow is “meeting people where they are at”. A healthy stage yellow person can help a person transition into whatever is their next level.I imagine healthy yellows are better at helping people up to green than greens themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 2, 2018 @MarkusSweden Hmmm, so respecting someone who you actually don't respect but you pretend to yourself that you respect them? You call it naivety, I call it dishonesty. I understand what you are saying, and it sounds like a good plan but I don't think you can pretend something isn't there until it actually isn't there. Take shadow work as an example. You can't just deny things you don't like about yourself. These things will burst out eventually. A more effective way to deal with these things is looking at them and asking "why don't I like this?" and "what is it's purpose?". If you acknowledge it and understand it, you can let it go, but only then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oiBohOG_sc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said: @MarkusSweden Rising to yellow is an expansion beyond tier 1 thinking. Yellow is not a rejection of green. Yellow is built upon green. A key feature of stage yellow is “meeting people where they are at”. A healthy stage yellow person can help a person transition into whatever is their next level.I imagine healthy yellows are better at helping people up to green than greens themselves. @MarkusSweden Exactly, yellow includes green. People in yellow can easily have the love of green in addition to "perspectives thinking". I'm not sure where you are coming from. You say that if everyone stayed in Green the world's problems would be fixed. The point of yellow is that you can implement whatever perspective necessary to fix a problem, and that fully includes green. 2 hours ago, MarkusSweden said: I'm now doing reverse work to go back from turquoise to the naive stage of green. I have to unlearn the realistic picture of todays world and I have to unlearn about all the evil structures in todays world in order to go back to the naive stage of green again. You're deluding yourself mate, if you were truly at turquoise you wouldn't speak about moving backwards in this way. And if you want to grow yourself spiritually you need to start to see through the illusion of good and evil. Edited September 2, 2018 by lmfao Hark ye yet again — the little lower layer. All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks. But in each event — in the living act, the undoubted deed — there, some unknown but still reasoning thing puts forth the mouldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If man will strike, strike through the mask! How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall? To me, the white whale is that wall, shoved near to me. Sometimes I think there's naught beyond. But 'tis enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
