Is reality discontinuous?

[lmfao]

Looking at your experience, all we have is "now". But I wonder, what is "now"?

Let's look at language and thought. Whenever one thinks of a word, e.g. "cat" and has it in their mind, I have the perception that I have this word totally grasped in my mind. However, it takes a time which is not equal to zero seconds for this word to pass through my mind. If everything is now, how does perception exist? Without time, how can sensations and perceptions exist and change? 

I'm just thinking, that it's all truly spontaneous. It comes from nothing. In my present moment experience causality doesn't exist. There is this experience and I don't know why it is. And if we say that time does exist, then things still change spontaneously. Because no matter how small a chunk of time you consider, it's a mystery why anything happens at all. Reminds me a of calculus a bit here. 

As for why I used the word discontinuous, imagine a graph with a line. A line has an infinite number of points in it by definition, and its continuous. But a point has no size, and there is no lee way to move around and have change. I used the word discontinuous because of its connotations in studying maths. 

Edited September 1, 2018 by lmfao

[Arkandeus]

all flow of consciousness is harmonious, whether its thought, presence, physicality, projection, inquiry, life is all life is

[Nahm]

4 hours ago, lmfao said:

Looking at your experience, all we have is "now". But I wonder, what is "now"?

Let's look at language and thought. Whenever one thinks of a word, e.g. "cat" and has it in their mind, I have the perception that I have this word totally grasped in my mind. However, it takes a time which is not equal to zero seconds for this word to pass through my mind. If everything is now, how does perception exist? Without time, how can sensations and perceptions exist and change? 

The I used here is a brain body (illusory / a thought story), the I in actuality is consciousness, awareness.     That “ a priori I ”  or that perceiver is illusory, as is the perception, therefore so is the “time”. The illusion of the passage of time happens now, same with the illusion of moving anythwere, or of anything changing.  (You are the awareness of all of those.)

I'm just thinking, that it's all truly spontaneous. It comes from nothing. In my present moment experience causality doesn't exist. There is this experience and I don't know why it is. 

You’re asking you, but you think you’re a body / brain, and we’re body / brains that could answer a “why”. In actuality you are asking yourself why, so only you can discover that answer.  This is the shocking difference between asking someone else (all Maya) a “why”...and contemplating - asking the question deeply of yourself, with some conviction and determination, and a little interest in the adventure.

And if we say that time does exist, then things still change spontaneously. Because no matter how small a chunk of time you consider, it's a mystery why anything happens at all. Reminds me a of calculus a bit here. 

It is a mystery to you / you are a mystery to you. Careful with assumptions about “others”. Do the work, do the Inquiry & Contemplation. If you’re in “fast forward”, or “too busy” or “Can’t stop thinking & talking” mode, then meditate, keep your focus on breathing from the stomach, slow your brain and body down...then do the inquiry & contemplation work. 

As for why I used the word discontinuous, imagine a graph with a line. A line has an infinite number of points in it by definition, and its continuous. But a point has no size, and there is no lee way to move around and have change. I used the word discontinuous because of its connotations in studying maths. 

Illusion is discontinuous, though it sure appears continuous. Everything appears relative, though it is consciousness.    Reality (consciousness) is continuous. 

Consider that you are a miracle, and that everything around you appears “ordinary” is shockingly impossible, in the same sense that you can go watch a magician, but you can never see real magic - because everything is spontaneous, real,  - magic. 

 

[Leo Gura]

@lmfao That's right. What you are intuiting the is infinity nature of reality. That's because it really is infinite. Which means that you will never pin down the Truth with finite symbols or thoughts. Cause/effect is a linear, dualistic, finite scheme which cannot get at the whole of reality. It can only get at finite, limited pieces of reality. It will always be just a partial map, never the whole territory.

The territory is truly infinite, nonlinear, and non-causal.

In fact, you can have a direct insight that every object in your room has an infinite chain of causes leading to its creation. I once become conscious that my Apple laptop power cord was created by an infinite chain of causes. What a mindfuck that was. To this day I cannot look at my power cord the same way again.

Every object in your room has actually existed for eternity.

[Leo Gura]

@Outer Apple's power cords are so shitty and overpriced that I want to start an Anti-Apple Power Cord Cult.

[Rinne]

On 9/1/2018 at 10:17 PM, Leo Gura said:

To this day I cannot look at my power cord the same way again.

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[Finland3286]

On 9/1/2018 at 10:13 AM, lmfao said:

Looking at your experience, all we have is "now". But I wonder, what is "now"?

Let's look at language and thought. Whenever one thinks of a word, e.g. "cat" and has it in their mind, I have the perception that I have this word totally grasped in my mind. However, it takes a time which is not equal to zero seconds for this word to pass through my mind. If everything is now, how does perception exist? Without time, how can sensations and perceptions exist and change? 

I'm just thinking, that it's all truly spontaneous. It comes from nothing. In my present moment experience causality doesn't exist. There is this experience and I don't know why it is. And if we say that time does exist, then things still change spontaneously. Because no matter how small a chunk of time you consider, it's a mystery why anything happens at all. Reminds me a of calculus a bit here. 

As for why I used the word discontinuous, imagine a graph with a line. A line has an infinite number of points in it by definition, and its continuous. But a point has no size, and there is no lee way to move around and have change. I used the word discontinuous because of its connotations in studying maths. 

I know you linked me the thread to this topic but I don't really get what you're saying here. Like when you say if someone has the word "cat" and it takes a time that is not equal to 0.0000 seconds to pass through the mind so if everything is now how does perception exist? I would say that you are perceiving parts of the word during different times and you remember the parts of this word because it's such a short time ago. Like you would remember the "c" sound when you are saying the "a" sound for example and when you say the "t" sound to finish the word you would remember both the "c" and "a" sound to complete the word. Also maybe the problem is that I think time exists. I not only think it exists, but I also think it's objective because it passes at the same pace, or so it would seem. Subjectively it goes slow or fast depending upon what i'm doing but I think it's objective because it ticks by second by second at the same pace. Or am I just assuming this and making this up? I don't really know because I haven't tested it. Also you say that "Because no matter how small a chunk of time you consider, it's a mystery why anything happens at all". To this I think things happen because of cause and affect. Because what ever happens before to cause the next thing will cause then the next thing. It would help if you could try to clarify for me as I have different ideas or beliefs than you.