Spiral Dynamics Stage Green Examples Mega-Thread

[Rilles]

12 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Is this too far?

 No, he obviously is drawn to it, noones forcing him. Maybe he will grow out of it, maybe he wont, as long as the kid is happy. 

[Rilles]

3 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

What kind of kid knows they're gay before puberty?

This whole movement of raising kids gender neutral and trans really feels wrong, no kid should be exposed to that kind of material.

Im a guy, I fell in love the first time when I was about 4 years old, I have vivid memories of my first girlfriend and holding hands. I have a gay brother too, he said he always knew, there was no "discovery". Just like there is no discovery when youre straight. 

Whatever you think of raising kids is up to the parents, as long as theyre not hurting the child. You could equally say that forcing a gay/trans-child to be cis or straight is abusive, read up on gender dysphoria, its seriously damaging. 

Edited October 17, 2020 by Rilles

[Peter-Andre]

32 minutes ago, Rilles said:

Whatever you think of raising kids is up to the parents, as long as theyre not hurting the child. You could equally say that forcing a gay/trans-child to be cis or straight is abusive, read up on gender dysphoria, its seriously damaging. 

@Rilles This is a good point. I think a lot of people are forgetting just how much we actually force people to be cishet. When a boy and a girl kiss each other in a children's movie, it's cute, but when two boys kiss, it's seen as "inappropriate" or "forced" and as an attempt to shove homosexuality down people's throats. There is obviously a double standard here.

I think it's important to let children discover their own authentic identities and to help them cultivate it in a healthy way instead of forcing any particular identity on them. Maybe they'll turn out cis or maybe trans. Either way is fine as long as they weren't pressured into it.

[Rolo]

3 hours ago, Rilles said:

Green trolling Blue. 

That was great.

[supremeyingyang]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It doesn't have to be tedious.

You can create your own school and enjoy the whole process and serve as a model for the world.

Think outside the box. There are many ways to change the world.

For now it's very crucial that I focus only on my own apprenticeship. Call it Intuition or whatever. I will have to bust through Obstacles until at least the End of 2021 to get to my Bliss -- while keeping an Eye on the Vision. That will be the hardest part. That I won't be consumed by everyday Life or quit to never pick something idealistic up again. Tough shit. But if it were easy, it would be probably not interesting enough to inspire me.
After that I would be delighted to create a school so that new Ones have more than the University of Youtube..

[Rilles]

So Russell Brand now knows about Spiral Dynamics...  

[Rilles]

Just now, Husseinisdoingfine said:

The people who put these signs up

*picture taken from my iPhone

 

centrist softies  go full green, become an anarchist  

[tuckerwphotography]

NYTimes article about how Green is deconstructing the term "white supremacy" and expanding the label's usage. Reading the comments are interesting - lots of backlash. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/17/us/white-supremacy.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

[diamondpenguin]

8 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

What kind of kid knows they're gay before puberty?

This whole movement of raising kids gender neutral and trans really feels wrong, no kid should be exposed to that kind of material.

Your right. If hes a boy hes a boy. If she's a girl shes a girl. Raising kids trans is against nature. Against the real. It must be their choice for these things. 

[Preety_India]

Just because they're on the left, does not mean that they are Green. 

Green stands for empathy and compassion and general activism. 

Some people on the left have a selfish agenda and they want to hog power through identity politics as a game. 

Green does not promote such selfishness or power hogging, in fact green somewhat hates authority and is Rebellious. Green will never support the use of propaganda or agenda to get power. 

So only a fraction of the people on the Left can be considered true green. Rest are hijackers and gamers 

This difference needs to be understood. 

Not everyone is green simply because they support a group. They true intentions need to be taken into account 

Once again Green wants justice for all and unity, not divisive politics or racial division or kindergarten idealistic theories about reality. 

 

[Rilles]

8 hours ago, diamondpenguin said:

Your right. If hes a boy hes a boy. If she's a girl shes a girl. Raising kids trans is against nature. Against the real. It must be their choice for these things. 

As if "real" isnt arbitrary. Reality can be as weird as it wants to be. I dont think transgender is weird though. Because gender has nothing to do with nature. Its something we made up. In the 1800s small boys wore dresses. https://medium.com/@NewAgeNews/why-is-president-franklin-d-roosevelt-wearing-a-dress-83fba3549523

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeching_(boys)

Its completely arbitrary depending on culture and time. 

Edited October 18, 2020 by Rilles

[Elisabeth]

The interviewer tells his personal story on show. Green or yellow-ish, what do you guys think? 

Anyway, a great example of mature, courageous, vulnerable masculinity.

 

[soos_mite_ah]

Orange moving towards green after realizing consumerism isn't going to make them happy and that they'll have to open up their heart. 

I know this is just the trailer but I would recommend the documentary to anyone who is in a similar transition on the spiral atm. 

[Rilles]

7 hours ago, Elisabeth said:

The interviewer tells his personal story on show. Green or yellow-ish, what do you guys think? 

Anyway, a great example of mature, courageous, vulnerable masculinity.

 

Seth is Yellow, Im on his mailing list where he sends insights, super-yellow fresh insight thinker. 

[Elisabeth]

3 hours ago, Rilles said:

Seth is Yellow, Im on his mailing list where he sends insights, super-yellow fresh insight thinker. 

Yeah, Seth is, but in that video, he's not the one talking...

[Rilles]

10 minutes ago, Elisabeth said:

Yeah, Seth is, but in that video, he's not the one talking...

Oh. sorry, i saw Seth and thought it was about him, didnt check thouroughly, stressful day. 

[supremeyingyang]

 

[soos_mite_ah]

 

[Carl-Richard]

This is an interesting dynamic and a funny video: Green-centered rationalist-materalist reacts to Green post-rationalism/spirituality. This shows the nuances within Green:

Notice how often Vaush commits the pre/trans fallacy, mistaking post-rationalist beliefs (hyper-green) for pre-rationalist beliefs (blue). It happens at 12:23, 13:08, 17:40, 23:20, 24:45, 29:50, 33:50, 34:50, 40:15, 42:47, 50:56 etc..

Essentially, Vaush has built up a wide array of cognitive schemas that link paranormal/irrational beliefs to conservatives, which is a result of years of ideological vitriol towards right-wingers. That could be an example of the lack of self-awareness and the self-deception mechanisms of Tier 1.

Edited October 23, 2020 by Carl-Richard

[Rilles]