Spiral Dynamics Stage Green Examples Mega-Thread

[Emerald]

31 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Emerald My guess is, we will have to have some Green leaders first before we are ready for Yellow leaders.

Bernie Sanders seems like a healthy Green leader. There is a high likihood of a Green leader winning in the next election cycle as mainstream America sees the full ugliness of Trump's version of Orange America. It's going to turn a lot of moderate, mainstream people off. Trump is less consciousness than the average decent American.

The entire culture needs to shift Greener. Which is why we have this on-going culture war. Blue/Orange does not want to shift Green. Hence it's so actively demonizing Green and fighting against it tooth and nail.

But Green is coming regardless. It cannot be stopped. #MeToo and weed legalization is sweeping the nation, and more of that will come. America still has yet to awaken to Green's opening of the heart.

I hear ya brother!  I totally agree. I think the silver lining to Trump winning the election is that all the previously unconscious negative things that lurked beneath the surface of collective consciousness, got a free pass to come out. And many on the right are feeling confident that the world is on the side of "reason" and "freedom" and "telling it like it is."

But I think the average person, who is quiet in this political climate will skew more Green as a result. I've been relieved to notice that people who were very ambivalent or resistant to progressive movements in the past, are now seeing why it's so important for us to move forward. They've realized that there are problems that they didn't know were there before. And I was certainly a surprised at the way society reacted to this.

That said, almost everyone from my hometown (a small redneck town in Florida) are huge Trump supporters... including my mom who was previously into a lot of Green initiatives. And I was so disheartened when he won the election. I felt sick the whole week. I didn't know that my mom even supported him, and I never would have seen it coming. She'd never mentioned either.

So, the polarization is really uncomfortable. And people are either getting cemented further back into the old paradigm or growing through all the political unrest. 

Edited July 5, 2018 by Emerald

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, Emerald said:

That said, almost everyone from my hometown (a small redneck town in Florida) are huge Trump supporters... including my mom who was previously into a lot of Green initiatives. And I was so disheartened when he won the election. I felt sick the whole week. I didn't know that my mom even supported him, and I never would have seen it coming. She'd never mentioned either.

Then she came to visit for Thanksgiving a few weeks later, and I was excited to vent to her about it. But all I heard about all weekend was about how amazing Trump is and how "He's so rich that no one can buy him." and "He tells it like it is." And just thinking that his idea of a Muslim ban and the wall are awesome. And how closed minded and hyperbolic I was being by saying that his idea of police profiling Muslims and making them wear IDs was similar to what the Nazis did. Then, when she came for Christmas it got even worse.

Hehehe... yeah. Blue/Orange really likes Trump. He knows just how to market to their fears and hopes.

Meanwhile Green is horrified by the backwardness of it all.

Much of American society is still Bluish. If you live in a Green part of the country like LA or NY, this is easy to forget. It's telling that NYers hate Trump, lol. They know his con-game well.

[Emerald]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Hehehe... yeah. Blue/Orange really likes Trump. He knows just how to market to their fears and hopes.

He's definitely really good at selling bullshit to people. And I'm frankly surprised at some of the otherwise intelligent people he was able to dupe. 

[Revolutionary Think]

@Leo Gura I would be hesitant in praising the Young Turks too much. In the whole Israel vs. Palestine thing they appear to be amazingly bias. Their blind spots are pretty big and I'd be aware of that. 

   

[Leo Gura]

Example of Green confronting Orange:

 

[Leo Gura]

 

[Dan Arnautu]

 

[Vaishnavi]

How could I forget Aamir Khan's Satyamev Jayate!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyamev_Jayate_(TV_series)#Episodes 

It's a TV series which basically focuses on sensitive social issues prevailing in India including domestic violence, rape, untouchability and even the criminalisation of politics. The guy himself is very green (and i feel a bit yellow as well) using his status and position to a very positive use. He's recently working on the drought condition in Maharashtra. Also, all 3 seasons of his show are available on YouTube with english subtitles. While the primary language of the show is Hindi, it is simulcast in eight other local Indian languages, and subtitled in English, to ensure maximum reach.

Here's the last episode which tackled the issue of Masculinity (from the green perspective)

 

Also what's interesting is that he likes to take up work projects which embodies the values of green (for instance his films like 3 Idiots, PK and Dangal)

[Scholar]

 

Not sure how much of it is true, but it seems like Bhutan might be the first proper green country around.

 

I have a general question about green, because a lot of examples picked in this thread seem to me to not be fully green at all, but rather partially green, in fact sometimes even less than 50% green (if one could actually quantify it).

For example Bernie Sanders is not fully green at all, I would not even say he is more than quarter green. Though I do think that even less than quarter green would explain his behavior and worldview. It doesn't require a lot of green to see social injustice and environmental destruction. Just like that mother Leo posted who confronted the orange person. Simply by the way she spoke it seems to me like she wouldn't be more than 25% green, but whatever part of her is green is enough to motivate the actions she is taking.

Someone who would be over 50% green would be someone like Jesus Christ to me, so I really don't see how the examples collected are actually green. Maybe because green is actually so rare to witness it seems to us like even part-green people are fully green? In the same way that a partly yellow person will seem completely yellow to an orange person. I don't know, maybe I have misunderstood something.

 

I would look at it like this:

If we compare collectives to individuals, the abolishment of slavery was a very green action, though in no way was the majority of the population green. In fact I would go so far that even the individuals pioneering this movement were not even fully green. In the same way the mind-structure of an individual does not have to be majority green to take green actions.

Edited July 5, 2018 by Scholar

[Joel3102]

@Leo Gura Do you think in hundreds of years western societies will get to the point where basically everybody is at least green, and green will become the new orthodoxy? And the conflict of world views won’t be green vs orange/blue but green resisting yellow? 

[el_duderino]

What about the Dude?

Definitely green elements, no healthy green of course. Live-and-let-live attitude to the fullest.

 

[Edvard]

15 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, in the end, Trump will be a good thing for mankind. We need Trump to learn the lessons of electing narcissistic morons.

Of course this lesson will come with some great costs. As all lessons do.

Trump's depravity is shedding light on many weakness in our institutions which need shoring up. We are lucky Trump is too incompetent to be an effective dictator. In the future, we might not be so lucky.

You always say something like, "Trump is a moron", but never why. Trump is obviously not stupid. Many of the things he has done is indeed quite hard and takes som IQ. All I know is that I disagree with him on some things, and agree with him on some things, and most things I'm not sure about. In terms of policy, I don't think he seems much worse than the other republicans, maybe even better. He basically says the same things, just in more interesting ways, but is less ideological. You seem too caught up on how he appears in media. 

I think fundamentally that republicans and far right policies are bad, but Trump is not particularly excessive when it comes to this.

One example of dishonest media:

When Trump supposedly mocked a disabled person, mainstream media of course didn't show you several other clips of Trump doing the same kind of mimicking immitating non-disabled persons.

The only reason I defend him is because people are so biased when talking about him that it's insane. They are not looking at him in an objective way, like I think someone like Kyle Kulinski on Secular Talk is doing quite well. And BTW, there are several cases where the media and corporate Dems are attacking Trump from the right.

Edited July 5, 2018 by Edvard

[Rob06]

Pink Floyd bassist and singer Roger Waters about his current tour which is heavily anti-Trump, anti War and pro love for all people.

[Moreira]

I see stage green as a lost battle against entropy. Trying to manipulate the world to make it the way we want, isnt ego driven? Shouldnt practice acceptance instead of attachment to defend one side and discard the other? Fighting in this neverending battle is a  guarantee of unhappiness.

[Revolutionary Think]

From Orange to Green https://www.salon.com/2013/12/28/why_i_fled_libertarianism_and_became_a_liberal/  

[Tetcher]

15 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, in the end, Trump will be a good thing for mankind. We need Trump to learn the lessons of electing narcissistic morons.

Of course this lesson will come with some great costs. As all lessons do.

Trump's depravity is shedding light on many weakness in our institutions which need shoring up. We are lucky Trump is too incompetent to be an effective dictator. In the future, we might not be so lucky.

During this whole series I was debating how much you were driven by your own clarity and how much you were just serving your own political agenda. You revealed yourself with this post.

In your last blog video after the 15 days retreat I noticed how you said you couldn't judge anymore : the nazis, the racists, the far right and so on you cited them all but the name of the person that you resent deep down. In all the forum posts where the orange people try to challenge the claim of upward evolution (orange < green), that by the way you never bothered to back so far,  you go on saying that they are just resisting and should contemplate and imbibe instead, if they want to climb to the next stage. But you can't contemplate and imbibe Trump it looks like, even though you think you're so much more evolved than him. You wouldn't use such demeaning terms on a full red person even.

Relevant video : 

 

[Leo Gura]

11 hours ago, Outer said:

How is #MeToo and weed legalization relevant to Green? I've read pure donald supporters and they don't seem opposed to weed legislation. Most of them are salt of the earth. Just go read the_donald on reddit.

Blue/Orange is opposed to weed.

Case in point: Jeff Sessions has a hard-on for criminalizing weed.

Legalizing weed will open the gateway for psychedelic experiences, which spells doom for the Blue & Orange paradigms. Orange doesn't like weed because it: A) hurts profits, B) undermines Orange's mindless materialistic ambitions, C) undermines capitalism.

Weed will help Green win the progressive culture war. Which Blue/Orange doesn't want. Weed helps open the mind and heart. So a closed-minded, closed-hearted ego will not allow it.

It's no accident that weed is legalized in the most developed Green countries and states in the world first. Alabama is not about to legalize weed. Because they are too Blue.

If California is the head of the snake, Alabama is the tail.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Moreira said:

I see stage green as a lost battle against entropy. Trying to manipulate the world to make it the way we want, isnt ego driven?

Hehehe....

That's LIFE: A battle against entropy that we will all lose.

That's not the issue. The issue is, HOW will you live life? What is the healthiest way to live? That's what Spiral Dynamics is about.

Manipulation of the world must happen for life to live. The question, which ways of manipulating are the healthiest, the most sustainable, the least harmful?

Even after enlightenment you will still have to manipulate life if you want to live.

[stevegan928]

On 7/2/2018 at 11:44 AM, Joseph Maynor said:

Jordan Peterson is not at Stage Green.  I hate to be the reality-check police.  I'm not gonna argue with you about it here either.  Go figure it out for yourself.  Do the work.

 

You thought Joe Rogan was stage yellow dude. 

[stevegan928]

On 7/2/2018 at 0:24 PM, Ferdi Le said:

Yellow is of course also into non duality etc. but has the big picture understanding of how hard it actually is to liberate your mind.

Not sure if all Yellow people have a huge interest in non-duality. I consider someone yellow when I see that they are good at deconstruction/ systems thinking and also not emotionally attached to their ideas/ judgmental of lower stages.