Spiral Dynamics Stage Green Examples Mega-Thread

[Raze]

 

[Chuco]

 

[Raze]

TITLE: DeSantis targets R house to protect kids; parents say that’s not his call

stage blue/orange pushback against stage green 

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[Ulax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkE8HD10EU0

[Bernardo Carleial]

https://instagram.com/vganbootyy?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

This is a very good example of an unhealthy version of vMEME Green.

The problem is not the values that they hold per se, in this particular case is that she seems to keep pushing her views on veganism to meat eaters without really addressing the environment that she lives, and she runs with it with full force, and gets repelled 10 times harder, because she doesn't understand that the social configuration can't access things that are out of their level of concern/awareness, so her views and her actions will be perceived as awkward, extreme, and inconvenient,  and her message will never get into these people's heads.

What vMEME Green "Extremists" can't see is that reality follows a chaotic/non-linear process... maybe the change that they want to see with their collective action may occur not in their lifetime, but from a constant struggle across generations, which sometimes seems that nothing is working (or that it might be even heading backwards...). So to keep pushing these ideas, and ignoring other people's worldviews (that are opposite to yours) can only work to a certain extent,  but later you have to go to source of what makes them think and behave that way, and maybe you find out that the solution may not be as ideal as you and your group might have thought of in the first place...

Edited August 14, 2022 by Bernardo Carleial

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[Bernardo Carleial]

Joe Duplantier, the singer of Gojira, is a very good example of vMEME Green activism 

[Bernardo Carleial]

Rebel Wisdom itself is a vMEME Yellow channel, but these particular guests actually hold a vMEME Green Worldview (a very healthy one by the way...)

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[Ash55]

https://www.youtube.com/c/SorelleAmoreFinance

[P Michael]

On 9/11/2022 at 11:49 PM, Raze said:

 

Why in front of kids? 

I don't mind them doing it in a club or something like that but this is fucked up. 

Can someone please explain their perspective? 

[Raze]

3 hours ago, P Michael said:

Why in front of kids? 

I don't mind them doing it in a club or something like that but this is fucked up. 

Can someone please explain their perspective? 

https://www.salon.com/2022/06/30/drag-queens-rupauls-drag-race-parenting/

 

https://laist.com/news/entertainment/i-took-my-child-toddler-to-dragcon

 

https://hcommons.org/deposits/item/hc:24871/

[Bernardo Carleial]

That's the beauty of vMEME Green.

Edited October 2, 2022 by Bernardo Carleial

[tuckerwphotography]

On 9/8/2022 at 9:08 PM, Bernardo Carleial said:

Rebel Wisdom itself is a vMEME Yellow channel, but these particular guests actually hold a vMEME Green Worldview (a very healthy one by the way...)

I know both these women personally. I wouldn't categorize either as primarily orienting from a Green Worldview, though certainly they both embody very healthy and robust Green qualities. Maybe I'd say they're somewhat split between the two stages, representing various aspects of both. Bernardo, I'm curious what you felt made both of them represent Green vs Yellow for you? In some ways I think you're making their meta point, which is that people associate Yellow with all the masculine qualities since the few people in society who are Yellow+ are typically men. Do we even know what a Yellow woman embodied in her feminine essence would look like? There's so few examples out there (Bonnitta Roy is one that comes to mind), and often the ones that do have a very keen systems thinking mind (like Samantha - I've heard her speak elsewhere and she's has very complex meaning making abilities) are quickly labeled as Green if they speak on other topics like embodiment or feminine energy or whatever. All that said, perhaps in this video they are indeed speaking from more of a Green worldview. I'd have to rewatch it to evaluate for myself. It's just interesting to note what unconscious gender biases may be at work when labeling people by SD memes (which, hilariously and admiringly so, is a very Green perspective from me hehe).  

Edited October 3, 2022 by tuckerwphotography

[Alexop]

Great conversation! We have to do so much work as a society to get rid of the maculine bias. It is very hard now to make good money and be fully feminine, that`s a big problem I think.

Edited October 3, 2022 by Alexop

[lostingenosmaze]

 

You are a human just like the rest of us
With another disaster
You can’t overcome

I just never admit to having your anger
Further the gift devolved with your hatred
I wanna know what you’ve got for later
and I wanna ask you now

Do you remember
The feeling
Of making time stop
When you were done with
Concealing
Another blind spot
I wonder
Do you mind do you mind
Letting go what you are holding
Do you mind do you mind
Opening when you are closing

And with the memory tainted
I numbed it all off
When it was all that
Remained thеn
A place I forgot
I wonder
Would I try would try
Helping it if you arе staying
Would I try would I try
Giving in to what you would say
Away in
Your heaven
You never
Knew of
And your fighting
Attraction
From the person
You are

And you turn away
Your ball and chain
But hurt yourself again
With your life to
Begin all new
Running all in place

Inside it only stays the same
When you leave with everything
Empty in your hollow name
In a life of cellophane

Do you remember
The feeling
Of making time stop
when you were done with
Concealing
Another blind spot
I wonder
Do you mind do you mind
Letting go what you are holding
Do you mind do you mind
Opening when you are closing
And with the memory tainted
I numbed it all off
When it was all that
Remained then
A place I forgot
I wonder
Would I try would try
Helping it if you are staying
Would I try would I try
Giving in to what you would say

With yourself your enclosed from pain and you reach out to what You could change
but there’s an answer in what you need
And it was all for you to see

Do you remember
The feeling
Of making time stop
When you were Done with
Concealing
Another blind spot
I wonder
Do you mind do you mind
Letting go what you are holding
Do you mind do you mind
Opening when you are closing
And with the memory tainted
I numbed it all off
When it was all that
Remained then
A place I forgot
I wonder
Would I try would try
Helping it if you are staying
Would I try would I try
Giving in to what you would say

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[Bernardo Carleial]

On 2/10/2022 at 9:54 PM, tuckerwphotography said:

I know both these women personally. I wouldn't categorize either as primarily orienting from a Green Worldview, though certainly they both embody very healthy and robust Green qualities. Maybe I'd say they're somewhat split between the two stages, representing various aspects of both. Bernardo, I'm curious what you felt made both of them represent Green vs Yellow for you?

@tuckerwphotography thank you for calling my attention on that,  and , to be fair, I don't have a proper answer to it, but looking at their background, they seem to make a lot of emphasis on the healing process, both individually and collectively,  from an intuitive,  "right brain" , introspective orientation,  that we associate with vMEME Green, they also make emphasis on the emotional aspects of cultural embodiment, like the cleansing from mainstream media as a way to prevent people to engage on cultural wars , and the Buddhist view of observing one's emotion as a therapeutic way to heal trauma, those things strike to me as vMEME Green, but that doesn't prevent them to hold Tier 2 qualities as well, in fact, they seem to have a very mature understanding of the cycles of life and multiple perspectives , which opens the door for VMEME Yellow. 

But you pointed out something very important,  that I don't have a proper answer to that... which is the characteristics of a vMEME Yellow Woman...

I don't have enough reference of women at that stage, the only one I can remember now was Donella Meadows, she was solid vMEME Yellow,  but she holds a lot of the masculine  energy when she gave her lectures, so I cannot tell an example of vMEME Yellow with an embodied feminine energy. But thanks for telling me this, I'll be more mindful of that the next time!???

[Raze]

 

Edited October 10, 2022 by Raze