Posted September 5, 2018 Great clarity there @who chit . Thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 5, 2018 1 hour ago, now is forever said: the urge for life is not fear, it is the urge for love The infinite embrace of absolute unity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, dorg said: Great clarity there @who chit . Thank you. Exactly what I was aiming for. Thanks @dorg ?. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) Looking to understand fragmentation through the fragmented lens of thought can be very complicated and confusing. The problem is there will be divided attention, (discerning-analyzing), fragmentation as if it were something separate from that fragmentary process itself. One will then be looking at fragmentation as an idea or a concept; the self trying to understand fragmentation as if it were independent of that phenomenon. Looking to understand this phenomenon as an abstraction won’t suffice. It is a fact that can be observed within the structure of thought-experience, but thought-experience will distort the actual seeing of that fact. To be identified with thought is also to be in resistance to what-is. This resistance is the attachment to this process of discernment-analysis, (pre-assumptions-bias/prejudice), in which has been accumulated over time. To see the truth in this fact, the psychological accumulation of “the self”, as in experience, knowledge, and memory, cannot be acting as a barrier in that seeing-understanding, (observation). It will be very difficult indeed to understand-observe this process of fragmentation, which is a conditioned response, with that same limited and conditioned observation. As long as this understanding is looked at as a concept-theory, the insight-understanding will only be partial and incomplete. Unconditioned observation is the only way to have a holistic insight into the whole of this phenomenon of fragmentation-thought/self division. It’s only in holistic observation that there is complete action, in which doesn’t further feed that self feeding loop of fragmentation. Edited September 5, 2018 by Faceless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Ingit said: I feel very heavy inside when I try to understand the fragmentation process Indeed... Conflict brings about that heavy feeling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 5, 2018 @who chit your insight of thought-self has become much more holistic I noticed. Nice to see you on the thread?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Faceless said: @who chit your insight of thought-self has become much more holistic I noticed. Nice to see you on the thread?? Thanks for the unconditioned observation friend. ?. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, who chit said: Realize that what is "you, is not the accumulated thoughts,ideas,concepts/beliefs,likes/dislikes,experiences (i.e.,memory/time) of the mind and/or body. To be free, is to be free of the accumulation of the "I"thought/mind/memory/time/experience(all one). Then the unitary psychological movement of "i-me -self-/"thought/"fear" as one whole movement, will cease. Would you say that it is also very important to understand that the self will also subtly dis-identify itself with that accumulated content/movement of thought/self-experience, and identify with something “greater”? The self will also seek security in thought/identification with god. Would you agree that will further nourish the self feeding loop of time-fear/division? Edited September 5, 2018 by Faceless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) I’m sure you are aware that god doesn’t identify. Just think it’s a great heads up u know As to dis-identity or to identify implies negative & positive movement of the self...the burden of conditioned mechanical response, introduced by the limitation of choice, as “the chooser”. Edited September 5, 2018 by Faceless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 5, 2018 16 minutes ago, who chit said: Thanks for the unconditioned observation friend. ?. You as well ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Faceless said: I’m sure you are aware that god doesn’t identify. Just think it’s a great heads up u know What is, doesn't have to identify as being what is. What is,already is,without having to become. Thought-self cannot be what is,because it has to make a movement to try to be what is. What is,is prior to thought/self/time/memory experience.In holistic observation, what is,see's this movement (holistic observation) of thought self trying to "become" (to experience), and in that seeing,the accumulated conditioning of thought/self/time/memory/experience dissolves. What is,is pure / free,of any/all accumulated psychological conditioning of "i"thought/mind/memory/experience. Pure being in and of itself,free of psychological accumulation. Pureness of Being,is what is. There is no becoming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 5, 2018 38 minutes ago, Faceless said: The self will also seek security in thought/identification with and as god. Yes. It will try to conceive/imagine what it is,or might be ,to be"god" in order to perpetuate it's false existence. A movement of seeking security in it's own conception. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, who chit said: What is, doesn't have to identify as being what is. What is,already is,without having to become. Indeed... But the self is very illusive. It will try and pull one over on itself ?...it is one of the subtle ways even the most “advanced” lol..get sucked in to illusion-self deception. 5 minutes ago, who chit said: Thought-self cannot be what is,because it has to make a movement to try to be what is. Indeed again... thought-self implies identification, which clings to familiarity, (what has been and projects in accordance to that), and what-is implies constant change, being dynamic. The self it’s accumulation can never actually meet what is without distortion. You are right, thought-self/fear always moves away from what-is. 9 minutes ago, who chit said: What is,is prior to thought/self/time/memory experience.In holistic observation, what is,see's this movement (holistic observation) of thought self trying to "become" (to experience), and in that seeing,the accumulated conditioning of thought/self/time/memory/experience dissolves. I think we are in communion on this, friend. 10 minutes ago, who chit said: What is,is pure / free,of any/all accumulated psychological conditioning of "i"thought/mind/memory/experience. Pure being in and of itself,free of psychological accumulation. Pureness of Being,is what is. There is no becoming. Then perhaps ones head may go missing ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, who chit said: Yes. It will try to conceive/imagine what it is,or might be ,to be"god" in order to perpetuate it's false existence. A movement of seeking security in it's own conception. Tricky little Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) The "phenomenon" is the conceptualization in the mind, there is no "fragmentation" or "movement" other than what one believes in it. All of this supposedly doesn't exist because it's all an illusion, right? It's the 'maps of meaning' in your own mind, not mine, not anyone else, only those that let this stuff fill their minds and 'trust' it is real. So enjoy it... or not, you can let it go anytime....hehe Edited September 5, 2018 by SOUL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, who chit said: Yes. It will try to conceive/imagine what it is,or might be ,to be"god" in order to perpetuate it's false existence. A movement of seeking security in it's own conception. This is the movement of thought/self desiring to understand,what it can't and will never be able to understand. Attempting to understand feeds the thought-self loop further into the hole. Edited September 5, 2018 by who chit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, who chit said: This the movement of thought/self desiring to understand,what it can't and will never be able to understand. Quite so... That which is finite, being thought-(measure), can never capture that which is infinite; that which is IMMEASURABLE. Edited September 5, 2018 by Faceless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Faceless said: Quite so... That which is finite, being thought-(measure), can never capture that which is infinite, that which is IMMEASURABLE. Yes indeed. ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 5, 2018 @who chit thank you for the posts?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 5, 2018 14 minutes ago, Faceless said: Then perhaps ones head may go missing ?? Not such a bad thing to be headless. ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
