Is there a correlation between 'Enlightenment' and 'Trump Derangement Syndrome'?

[MarkusSweden]

I often read lyrics from enlightened people not to gain new knowledge and concepts(because I've heard it all several times by now), I read it because the blissful feeling of reading something that comes from the divine source.

There are so much truths and purity between the words when you read or listening to an enlightened master. They fill the silent gaps between the words with absolute truth and infinite awareness it feels. Whatever they say or write are like beautiful pieces of art.

What I had a hard time to wrap my mind around was the fact that the same enlightened people were complete morons, politically wise. In this regard they have no understanding what so ever, which I find weird since they have such a perfect understanding otherwise. 

I have now contemplated this discrepancy enlightened people have with understanding for five full days as we speak, with much help of meditations and small portions of shrooms.   

My conclusion so far is that enlightened people suffer from the so called "Trump Derangement Syndrome" because they lack relative understanding of reality. 

They superimpose absolute understanding on to the relative dualistic world and therefore they end up with 'Trump Derangement Syndrome'

Caveat though, this is not true for all enlightened people, there are always exceptions. 

I, myself was once fully resting in infinite consciousness, I was enlightened to the point that I could master the laws of physics, they didn't apply to me. I doubt anyone was more enlightened then me at that time. However, there was a price to pay to become enlightened, which was why I finally leaved that state of being(although it was a state of infinite peace, intuition and happiness, make no doubts about that just because I choose to leave it). 

Anyway, in order to become God all my understanding had to come from absolute understanding, I had to get rid of ALL relative understanding, hence I had no thoughts but pure intuition, non dual awareness. Oneness was all there was. The ending of all relative understanding was the price to pay that I mentioned above in order to become enlightened.

Even though it's not fair to say that anything of value is lost, it's more like you lose the toxic capacity to think the illusory contents of thoughts aka gaining of relative understanding. But without that toxic illusionary capacity you won't be able to interpret the relative world accurate at all. But that's nothing to cry over, no need to understand the world when you have perfect absolute understanding which is a level up from the worldly level. You can't bring knowledge from the level of understanding that you leave in order to bring it into the new level of understanding(Same if you step down, which I did, all absolute understanding had to go to get a good grip and understanding of the relative, dual and local part of world called earth.     

If you still have the slightest notion of duality, if you still have the slightest relative understanding of reality, it's impossible not to project and superimpose that relative understanding upon God aka divine non duality, and therefore you will not know God fully, you will still be naive in your understanding of God. And vice versa, this goes both ways.

Hence, when you know God fully, or rather when you ARE God, you have no understanding for the relative realm. You end up as a libertarian moron from the relative perspective.(But you are perfect pure infinite understanding aka God from the absolute perspective, with nothing but truth, love and beauty in your heart)

This is why enlightened people suffer from "Trump Derangement Syndrome". They are simply not aware of the complexity and evil nature of the deep states around the world, in western world particular. All that happens within the deep states happens within the relative realm of things, just as all other politics is a feature of duality aka relative reality, same is true for all the media with their subtle lies, unconscious lies, meta-lies, but enlightened people are above the cunningness of it all, and paradoxically being above it is the same as being beneath it, understanding wise. Enlightened people simply don't get what is happening in politics together with its legs of media, culture and military. 

Enlightened people can't help but superimpose absolute understanding when looking into politics, no surprise they looks like fools and morons when expressing political statements. 

Do you also think there is a correlation between enlightenment and Trump Derangement Syndrome? 

Important distinction though, according to the video below Scott Adams claims that 'Trump Derangement syndrome is a mental disorder, rightly so, but this is only true for people who are not enlightened I believe. Enlightened people with Trump Derangement Syndrome are not having mental disorders, rather they have the TDS because they are too mentally pure and healthy one might argue. Where as the frist group of people, those with TDS without being enlightened definitely suffer from mental health issues.

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Edited August 30, 2018 by MarkusSweden

[SOUL]

The "absolute understanding" as you call it, is free from "relative understanding", again as you call it, but is not separate from it..... otherwise it wouldn't be nondual and is really in unity with all relative without being bound by the relative. So the freedom from the relative isn't a state of being devoid of the relative, it's that awareness of the absolute allows us to view the relative through the lens of the absolute.

I'm not sure how that fits with your justification of political views but so be it.

[cirkussmile]

A master knows what created all the complexity. Why should he make it more complicated by offering solutions other than pure love and wisdom? 

A master is on the other side of ignorance.

Focusing on destroying a deep state is not the focus on Truth

 

Edited August 30, 2018 by cirkussmile

[MarkusSweden]

38 minutes ago, cirkussmile said:

A master knows what created all the complexity. Why should he make it more complicated by offering solutions other than pure love and wisdom? 

A master is on the other side of ignorance.

Focusing on destroying a deep state is not the focus on Truth

 

You're right!!!

Namaste

 

[Faceless]

A much more important question would be...

Why does the application of political science fail to bring about order in society/world, and why will it continue failing to do so? 

Can anyone narrrow it down? 

 

Any other discussion about this is just an expression of that same old movement of incomplete action or (the inward compulsion of conforming to the pattern of seeking security in abstraction).( ⬅️ Hint) 

This pattern at play is why we look to the application of (political science) to bring about order in societies. 

 

Edited August 30, 2018 by Faceless

[MarkusSweden]

1 minute ago, Faceless said:

A much more important question would be...

Why does the application of political science fail to bring about order in society/world, and why will it continue to do so? 

Can anyone narrrow it down? 

This is very good, I use to ask this question myself growing up. 

3 minutes ago, Faceless said:

 

Any other discussion about this is just an expression of that same old movement of incomplete action or (the inward compulsion of conforming to the pattern of seeking security in abstraction).( ⬅️ Hint) 

This pattern at play is why we look to the application of (political science) to bring about order in societies. 

 

This is because the movement of thought and the movement of time aka self, right? 

But I'm not sure I understand fully, can you elaborate a little bit further? 

[Faceless]

@MarkusSweden what causes “the i” to seek security in “the abstraction”? 

[SOUL]

6 minutes ago, Faceless said:

@MarkusSweden what causes “the i” to seek security in “the abstraction”? 

Who is asking what causes the I to seek security in the abstraction?

[Faceless]

8 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Who is asking what causes the I to seek security in the abstraction?

? this question is for you too my friend. 

 

As you have said before...“So people believe they required more than just being present in the moment for joy, fulfillment and peace.” 

Do you see it? who is it that needs to be fulfilled? 

 

[SOUL]

1 minute ago, Faceless said:

? this question is for you too my friend. 

 

As you have said before...“So people believe they required more than just being present in the moment for joy, fulfillment and peace.” 

Do you see it? who is it that needs to be fulfilled? 

 

Who sees it?

[Faceless]

21 minutes ago, Faceless said:

@MarkusSweden what causes “the i” to seek security in “the abstraction”? 

Do you see what movement/process is in motion that perpetuates or nourishes this movement of fear?  

[Faceless]

2 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Who sees it?

? cute mr or mrs soul

Edited August 30, 2018 by Faceless

[SOUL]

2 minutes ago, Faceless said:

Do you see what movement/process is in motion that perpetuates or nourishes this movement of fear?  

Who quotes themselves?

[Faceless]

?  @SOUL

 

[MarkusSweden]

14 minutes ago, Faceless said:

Do you see what movement/process is in motion that perpetuates or nourishes this movement of fear?  

Yes, I can see it. It's the need for psychological security and comfort which is always lacking in the present moment because of identification with the movement of time aka self, right?   

Thanks @Faceless

[Faceless]

@MarkusSweden

Fragmentation... “the individual” and “society/world” 

 

 

Control implies division, the controller and the thing to be controlled; this division, as all division, brings about conflict and distortion in action and behavior in relationship. 

 

This fragmentation is the work of thought, one fragment trying to control the other parts — call this one fragment, the controller, which tries to control “apparent parts” of thought. 

This false division followed by action, (divided action), is limited action and the mischief maker.

 

The controller is the controlled. 

 

Fragmentation is the effect of seeing oneself as ultimately separate from that which is thought, felt, perceived, and so on. 

 

Or for the controller, “the i”, wants to control fear, but the controller is also a fragment of fear. 

Also the controller wants to control desire, but the controller is just another fragment of desire trying to control an opposing fragment of desire. 

Thought in its very nature is fragmentary and this causes confusion and sorrow, which effects the psychological field (psyche), and is reflected out into the world. 

 

Inwardly, is “the i” separate from fear? 

And outwardly, are we as “individuals” seperate from society/world? 

 

Inwardly, “the i” sets out to control fear...a fragment that sets out to to control a fragment, and so on, moving towards the abstraction. 

And that same inward movement of fragmentation is expressed outward born of this false notion that “the individual” is fundamentally seperate from the society, in which we invent abstract ideals and so on to solve fundamental problems that arise within that society. The fact is disorder, (the fact), is constantly evaded by seeking security in the abstraction that thinks will bring about order, by the intellect, in the form of analysis. But just as analysis cannot bring about order in the relationship with ourselves, so the same the application of analysis as applied on political science to bring about order in relationship between (man-woman) kind. 

This outward disorder, (corruption in society) is merely a reflection of the inner disorder of “the individual”. And vice versa....

The individual is the reflection of the society, and the society is an expression of the individual. 

 

The cause and the effect are one and the same movement of fragmentation. 

 

Political science may have its place in practical matters, but when it comes to relationship in society/the world, this application of incomplete action only causes more disorder. 

 

THIS PROCESS OF FRAGMENTATION IS THE ROOT OF THIS DISORDER, AND THE REASON FOR THIS FAILURE IN GHE ATTEMPT TO APPLY POLITICAL SCIENCE AS A MEANS TO BRING ABOUT ORDER IN SOCIETY/THE WORLD. 

 

 

Edited August 30, 2018 by Faceless

[MarkusSweden]

26 minutes ago, Faceless said:

@MarkusSweden

Fragmentation... “the individual” and “society/world” 

 

 

Control implies division, the controller and the thing to be controlled; this division, as all division, brings about conflict and distortion in action and behavior in relationship. 

 

This fragmentation is the work of thought, one fragment trying to control the other parts — call this one fragment, the controller, which tries to control “apparent parts” of thought. 

This false division followed by action, (divided action), is limited action and the mischief maker.

 

The controller is the controlled. 

 

Fragmentation is the effect of seeing oneself as ultimately separate from that which is thought, felt, perceived, and so on. 

 

Or for the controller, “the i”, wants to control fear, but the controller is also a fragment of fear. 

Also the controller wants to control desire, but the controller is just another fragment of desire trying to control an opposing fragment of desire. 

Thought in its very nature is fragmentary and this causes confusion and sorrow, which effects the psychological field (psyche), and is reflected out into the world. 

 

Inwardly, is “the i” separate from fear? 

And outwardly, are we as “individuals” seperate from society/world? 

 

Inwardly, “the i” sets out to control fear...a fragment that sets out to to control a fragment, and so on, moving towards the abstraction. 

And that same inward movement of fragmentation is expressed outward born of this false notion that “the individual” is fundamentally seperate from the society, in which we invent abstract ideals and so on to solve fundamental problems that arise within that society. The fact is disorder, (the fact), is constantly evaded by seeking security in the abstraction that thinks will bring about order, by the intellect, in the form of analysis. But just as analysis cannot bring about order in the relationship with ourselves, so the same the application of analysis as applied on political science to bring about order in relationship between (man-woman) kind. 

This outward disorder, (corruption in society) is merely a reflection of the inner disorder of “the individual”. And vice versa....

The individual is the reflection of the society, and the society is an expression of the individual. 

 

The cause and the effect are one and the same movement of fragmentation. 

 

Political science may have its place in practical matters, but when it comes to relationship in society/the world, this application of incomplete action only causes more disorder. 

 

THIS PROCESS OF FRAGMENTATION IS THE ROOT OF THIS DISORDER, AND THE REASON FOR THIS FAILURE IN GHE ATTEMPT TO APPLY POLITICAL SCIENCE AS A MEANS TO BRING ABOUT ORDER IN SOCIETY/THE WORLD. 

 

 

Wow, this is one of your greatest post. That's why I feel so out of control when I try so hard to control. I never understood that paradox. 

You explain it in a very simple and clear way, even though this is very deep stuff. 

Thanks again @Faceless  

Edited August 30, 2018 by MarkusSweden