Trump doesn't trigger me and neither should he trigger anyone else

[Revolutionary Think]

I mean seriously every time his name is brought up with the majority of people one of two things happen. One people start going primal by beating their chests, and barking these are the haters. Two people start going into a state of euphoria start masturbating and jizzing on each others faces these are the lovers. Enough is enough and both of these groups play right into his hands because he loves drama and it serves his already over inflated ego. The best way to deal with him is to starve him of the attention that he craves so much.

I got to admit at first I was optimistic about a Trump Presidency I honestly thought that he had enough money and the jobs situation and economic situation in this country was complete shit. I was annoyed because it didn't seem like the democrats didn't really give a shit about the money problems of the people in this country and to another extent neither did the Republicans. I thought that since Trump was just doing something like this for his ego he'd make sure that most people in this country who wanted a job could have a job and more opportunities would open up and I wouldn't have to go through application and interview hell (which even after he was elected happened to me anyway). To tell you the truth when Trump won on November 8th I really enjoyed that he talked about how he saw great potential in this country and he wanted to do something about it that inspired me and I thought US Politics wouldn't be business  as usually. Fast forward to Today all he's been is a disappointment all talk no action and pure ego. Seems like it was just a load of hot air bull shit coming out of his mouth and not a plan for how people in my generation are going to make it because we don't want manufacturing and coal jobs because that's all he seems to give a shit about. The thing is though both Obama and Trump don't have shit to do with the life that I live. I am in the drivers seat and in control by the things I decide to do day to day. That's why I don't play this stupid game of arguing about all this crap because I know it's a bridge to no where and if you're on this forum you should realize that too. 

[RichardY]

WOAH Revolutionary.

ALL ABOARD!!!!!

[Revolutionary Think]

@RichardY Now you're feeding my ego 

[Nahm]

@Revolutionary Think Feelin the passion my man. ❤️

[Emerald]

28 minutes ago, Revolutionary Think said:

The thing is though both Obama and Trump don't have shit to do with the life that I live. I am in the drivers seat and in control by the things I decide to do day to day. That's why I don't play this stupid game of arguing about all this crap because I know it's a bridge to no where and if you're on this forum you should realize that too. 

If you're not effected by Trump, then you are lucky... not on some higher ground.

There are people in this country who are deeply affected by his presidency. It puts me on edge because my husband is an immigrant. He is a permanent legal resident, but with all the anti-immigrant sentiments being stirred up, there are even policies floating around that would make it impossible to get full citizenship if he wanted to. 

So, if you say that Trump being president has no effect on your life, it doesn't mean that it doesn't have effects on other people's lives. It probably just means that you are probably a white heterosexual man who was born in America. 

But there is great value in re-stating what's true, when truth itself is under attack. 

[Revolutionary Think]

@Nahm

[Nahm]

@Emerald Feelin the passion sister!❤️

[Revolutionary Think]

@Emerald OK point taken but, you have to also have some compassion for the other side as well. I was very frustrated when I got all my education and all the jobs that were left were crappy jobs that I could've done with out a high school education despite having a College Degree. I was very frustrated when I still had to be dependent on my parents and my family for support even though I was running away from that kind of dependence my entire life. When Trump was campaigning he seemed to be the only one concerned about these economic issues. All the time I sent something to one of my lazy useless waste of space congress members and representatives I got an auto response and they seemed not to give a damn. All the time I applied for work and didn't get it I was never even told why, what, where, how etc. and it started bothering me. Then people had the Gaul to blame me for the situation I was in when I lived in a shitty system that the education system doesn't prepare you for life at all. All the democrats seemed to give a damn about was climate change, diversity, and getting an education. After your education it seemed like they didn't give a crap about what happens to you or if you survive or not. Then when the tables turned and Trump was elected (this was before actualized.org of course). I must admit I was really happy to see the establishment as angry, scared and as pissed off as it was. (Disclaimer this was before) I was happy because I finally thought that these assholes finally got a taste of their own disgusting medicine I said finally after all these years of being ignored and not being given a damn about. After all these years of suffering from the depression that comes from unemployment this guy actually cares and these people can't stop him. (Turns out he actually didn't care) yet at that point though I was very happy he was elected. http://bakshandehariel.wixsite.com/website/single-post/2017/01/22/Trump-and-the-Forgotten That's where I talk about it. 

[Revolutionary Think]

Well anyway I'd like to see this be a civil conversation with lots of insights and a way of getting to understand each other better instead of devolving into a childish tit for tat. Leos going to put a swift end to it if it does. 

[RichardY]

Bit of a black sabbath to be reminiscing about politics, though.

[Revolutionary Think]

@RichardY Shabbat Shalom 

[Sashaj]

2 hours ago, Revolutionary Think said:

I mean seriously every time his name is brought up with the majority of people one of two things happen. One people start going primal by beating their chests, and barking these are the haters. Two people start going into a state of euphoria start masturbating and jizzing on each others faces these are the lovers. Enough is enough and both of these groups play right into his hands because he loves drama and it serves his already over inflated ego. The best way to deal with him is to starve him of the attention that he craves so much.

I got to admit at first I was optimistic about a Trump Presidency I honestly thought that he had enough money and the jobs situation and economic situation in this country was complete shit. I was annoyed because it didn't seem like the democrats didn't really give a shit about the money problems of the people in this country and to another extent neither did the Republicans. I thought that since Trump was just doing something like this for his ego he'd make sure that most people in this country who wanted a job could have a job and more opportunities would open up and I wouldn't have to go through application and interview hell (which even after he was elected happened to me anyway). To tell you the truth when Trump won on November 8th I really enjoyed that he talked about how he saw great potential in this country and he wanted to do something about it that inspired me and I thought US Politics wouldn't be business  as usually. Fast forward to Today all he's been is a disappointment all talk no action and pure ego. Seems like it was just a load of hot air bull shit coming out of his mouth and not a plan for how people in my generation are going to make it because we don't want manufacturing and coal jobs because that's all he seems to give a shit about. The thing is though both Obama and Trump don't have shit to do with the life that I live. I am in the drivers seat and in control by the things I decide to do day to day. That's why I don't play this stupid game of arguing about all this crap because I know it's a bridge to no where and if you're on this forum you should realize that too. 

Yep. Green thinking to be triggered by Trump. Good vs evil, right vs wrong. Trump is a symptom of excess Green in the media. There is no such person as Donald Trump, get it over it folks

[Revolutionary Think]

@Sashaj Indeed. Reminds me of this 

   

[Sashaj]

4 minutes ago, Revolutionary Think said:

@Sashaj Indeed. Reminds me of this 

   

Oh my, the drama of the ego!

[Revolutionary Think]

@Sashaj Right Trump is just an idea. The real world exists from within. You really design it yourself regardless of who the world leaders are. 

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Revolutionary Think said:

@Emerald OK point taken but, you have to also have some compassion for the other side as well. I was very frustrated when I got all my education and all the jobs that were left were crappy jobs that I could've done with out a high school education despite having a College Degree. I was very frustrated when I still had to be dependent on my parents and my family for support even though I was running away from that kind of dependence my entire life. When Trump was campaigning he seemed to be the only one concerned about these economic issues. All the time I sent something to one of my lazy useless waste of space congress members and representatives I got an auto response and they seemed not to give a damn. All the time I applied for work and didn't get it I was never even told why, what, where, how etc. and it started bothering me. Then people had the Gaul to blame me for the situation I was in when I lived in a shitty system that the education system doesn't prepare you for life at all. All the democrats seemed to give a damn about was climate change, diversity, and getting an education. After your education it seemed like they didn't give a crap about what happens to you or if you survive or not. Then when the tables turned and Trump was elected (this was before actualized.org of course). I must admit I was really happy to see the establishment as angry, scared and as pissed off as it was. (Disclaimer this was before) I was happy because I finally thought that these assholes finally got a taste of their own disgusting medicine I said finally after all these years of being ignored and not being given a damn about. After all these years of suffering from the depression that comes from unemployment this guy actually cares and these people can't stop him. (Turns out he actually didn't care) yet at that point though I was very happy he was elected. http://bakshandehariel.wixsite.com/website/single-post/2017/01/22/Trump-and-the-Forgotten That's where I talk about it. 

I understand, AND Trump is a master manipulator. He ran as an anti-establishment candidate with a populist message about improving the status quo, bringing back jobs, improving the economy, and draining the swamp.

So, people wanted to believe it so much that they easily ignored or explained away any of the problems. Trump is excellent at appealing to people and making them want to be on his side. His confidence, charisma, and APPEARANCE of "telling it like it is", establishes rapport with many people. It also helped that he was running against a very unpopular candidate who was no stranger to dabbling in corruption. So, it was easy for him to leverage public opinion in his favor, because he could always frame his opponent as the "status quo" (which is actually true) and market himself out as a catalyst for change. 

But what you'll find (and have found) is that it's all just been lies. He's marketed himself to every one of his voters. And there's a significant portion of his voters that are SOOO identified with him, that they take personal offense when he is criticized and jump to his defense. And it's all because they so deeply want to believe... and to admit that they've been tricked at this point in the game would be embarrassing because they are so heavily identified.

He promised to bring back jobs, but outsourced 93,000 jobs in his first year alone... I think Obama's worst year was somewhere in the 80,000s if memory serves, and Obama was awful about it. He also promised to pull out of NAFTA, which he didn't do. That was one of the only platforms that I liked that he proposed. And even though the unemployment rate has decreased slightly, wages in general have decreased by quite a large margin.

And then there's lie after lie after lie, to where people get lost and swept up and can't tell the difference between truth and lies anymore, because of he way his propaganda works. 

So, I actually sympathize in some ways with people who voted for Trump because I can see how someone would resonate with his campaign promises, especially when the other candidate had no substantial change to propose and just marketed herself as "potential first woman president" with no clear platform.

That said, whenever someone says that the status quo has remained the same and that Trump and his politics doesn't effect everyday life for people, then I know that person is not yet aware of the way social patterns have changed or intensified since Trump took office.

[Sashaj]

2 minutes ago, Emerald said:

I understand, AND Trump is a master manipulator. He ran as an anti-establishment candidate with a populist message about improving the status quo, bringing back jobs, improving the economy, and draining the swamp.

So, people wanted to believe it so much that they easily ignored or explained away any of the problems. Trump is excellent at appealing to people and making them want to be on his side. His confidence, charisma, and APPEARANCE of "telling it like it is", establishes rapport with many people. It also helped that he was running against a very unpopular candidate who was no stranger to dabbling in corruption. So, it was easy for him to leverage public opinion in his favor, because he could always frame his opponent as the "status quo" (which is actually true) and market himself out as a catalyst for change. 

But what you'll find (and have found) is that it's all just been lies. He's marketed himself to every one of his voters. And there's a significant portion of his voters that are SOOO identified with him, that they take personal offense when he is criticized and jump to his defense. And it's all because they so deeply want to believe... and to admit that they've been tricked at this point in the game would be embarrassing because they are so heavily identified.

He promised to bring back jobs, but outsourced 93,000 jobs in his first year alone... I think Obama's worst year was somewhere in the 80,000s if memory serves, and Obama was awful about it. He also promised to pull out of NAFTA, which he didn't do. That was one of the only platforms that I liked that he proposed. And even though the unemployment rate has decreased slightly, wages in general have decreased by quite a large margin.

And then there's lie after lie after lie, to where people get lost and swept up and can't tell the difference between truth and lies anymore, because of he way his propaganda works. 

So, I actually sympathize in some ways with people who voted for Trump because I can see how someone would resonate with his campaign promises, especially when the other candidate had no substantial change to propose and just marketed herself as "potential first woman president" with no clear platform.

That said, whenever someone says that the status quo has remained the same and that Trump and his politics doesn't effect everyday life for people, then I know that person is not yet aware of the way social patterns have changed or intensified since Trump took office.

He is now and will be gone later. He is one of many devils in the world and in our minds and one of many more that will keep popping up in eternally because that’s how the ego world works. Stop distracting yourself trying to convince others of the evils of trump and work on yourself. Save your precious energy for the REAL fight

[Emerald]

2 hours ago, Outer said:

That's not true.

What effect has Trump had on everyone except white heterosexual men?

None.

It's statistically impossible.

On average though, what effect are you writing about exactly?

Trump's rhetoric has normalized a lot of anti-immigrant sentiments and racist sentiments especially. I have people that I've know my entire life VERY intimately who had no signs of racism, now be so casual with their racism that it's disturbing how a person could go through such a radical change simply because their candidate was elected. And the change happened directly after he won the election. With regard to one person in particular, I don't think she would be saying these things if he had lost. 

But Trump's rhetoric doesn't effect men as a group because he rhetoric isn't anti-male. Trump's rhetoric doesn't effect people born in America as a group because his rhetoric isn't anti-U.S. nationals. Trump's rhetoric doesn't effect heterosexual people as a whole group because his rhetoric isn't anti-heterosexual. Trump's rhetoric doesn't effect white people as a group because his rhetoric isn't anti-white.

So, there may be men who are negatively effected by his rhetoric, but they aren't negatively effected because they're men. Or there may be white people who are negatively effected by his rhetoric, but they aren't negatively effected because they're white.

I just don't understand how you can believe that particular groups of people may be effected differently based on what a politician does. There are plenty of examples in history books (and the news) of this happening.

For example, cutting funding for breast cancer screenings for people who are too poor to afford them, would effect mostly women and poor people. While men and rich people would be largely unaffected by such a political move. So, the decisions a politician makes, including the type of rhetoric they use, has and ACTUAL effect on people's lives. And it effects different groups of people differently. And some groups have it worse than others. 

 

[Emerald]

11 minutes ago, Sashaj said:

He is now and will be gone later. He is one of many devils in the world and in our minds and one of many more that will keep popping up in eternally because that’s how the ego world works. Stop distracting yourself trying to convince others of the evils of trump and work on yourself. Save your precious energy for the REAL fight

That's just not a wise decision to make. I am normally one to go with the flow of things as long as no one gets hurt. And truly, I'm not demonizing Trump and saying that he deserves to suffer or is inherently evil or anything like that. I'm simply calling a spade a spade. He is corrupt. He is having a negative effect on society and making it less healthy. These things are true. And the truth should be stated and restated.

So, when I see something harmful that will effect many people, I find it is wise to stand against it. And so I do. 

I will not spiritually bypass a potentially negative situations by saying, "There is no self" "All is one" and all those non-dual higher truths. This does nothing to increase consciousness. It actually decreases consciousness because it bypasses the emotional reality of living in the dualistic world. I will not pretend to live at a level I'm not at yet, and to assume that those who are "enlightened" are politically disengaged and will just allow terrible things to come to fruition. I'm sure they would not. And even enlightened people like That Nich Hanh, did quite a lot of political activism. So, to think that spiritual seekers and enlightened folk are disengaged from social concerns in simply not true. 

Sometimes, higher truths like "All is one" and "There is no self" are the most helpful perspectives that can be provided. But other times, more practical truths are more appropriate like "If a lion is chasing you, run away." and "There is corruption happening in society, so try to fix it."

It's a matter of being wise enough to choose which paradigm to function from, and not simply defaulting to those "top-shelf" spiritual truths and bypassing the phenomenal world. As it is said, "Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood and carry water."

[Sashaj]

All good, have fun crusading

Wrong forum to do it on though