Donald Trump is a spiral wizard.

[p1xelmonk]

damn I thought outer was better than this

[Forestluv]

10 minutes ago, Outer said:

I'm asking you. What has Trump done that is wrong?

I know plenty of things, I'm just asking you.

I sense that you are attached to a perspective - which is limiting and contracted. I can’t take you out of the perspective. It’s got to come from within.

Humans often identify and defend their perspectives- usually in ways they are unaware of.

One thing that helped me let go of perspectives I was attached to was traveling abroad and living with other cultures. 

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Outer said:

Do you consume animal products, like Leo?

If so are you both hypocrites?

I'm Vegan actually. Are you Vegan?

 

1 hour ago, Outer said:

What has Trump done that is wrong?

Here's a list... The guy has quite the track record of fuckery.... I wonder how much jail time he's served.... 

 

"Trump initially came to public attention in 1973 when he was accused by the Justice Department of violations of the Fair Housing Act in the operation of 39 buildings. The Department of Justice said that black "testers" were sent to more than half a dozen buildings and were denied apartments, but a similar white tester would then be offered an apartment in the same building.[9] The government alleged that Trump's corporation quoted different rental terms and conditions to blacks and made false "no vacancy" statements to blacks for apartments they managed in Brooklyn, Queens, and Staten Island.[10]"

"In 1985, New York City brought a lawsuit against Trump for allegedly using tactics to force out tenants of 100 Central Park South,[17] which he intended to demolish together with the building next door."

"In 1988, the Justice Department sued Trump for violating procedures related to public notifications when buying voting stock in a company related to his attempted takeovers of Holiday Corporation and Bally Manufacturing Corporation in 1986."

"In late 1990, Trump was sued for $2 million by a business analyst for defamation, and Trump settled out of court.[20] Briefly before Trump's Taj Mahal opened in April 1990, the analyst had said that the project would fail by the end of that year. Trump threatened to sue the analyst's firm unless the analyst recanted or was fired. The analyst refused to retract the statements, and his firm fired him for ostensibly unrelated reasons.[21] Trump Taj Mahal declared bankruptcy in November 1990, the first of several such bankruptcies.[22] After, the NYSE ordered the firm to compensate the analyst $750,000; the analyst did not release the details of his settlement with Trump."

"In 1991, Trump Plaza was fined $200,000 by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission for moving African American and female employees from craps tables in order to accommodate high roller Robert LiButti, a mob figure and alleged John Gotti associate, who was said to fly into fits of racist rage when he was on losing streaks.[29] There is no indication that Trump was ever questioned in that investigation, he was not held personally liable, and Trump denies even knowing what LiButti looked like."

"In 1991, one of Trump's casinos in Atlantic City, New Jersey, was found guilty of circumventing state regulations about casino financing when Donald Trump's father bought $3.5 million in chips that he had no plans to gamble. Trump Castle was forced to pay a $30,000 fine under the settlement, according to New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement Director Jack Sweeney. Trump was not disciplined for the illegal advance on his inheritance, which was not confiscated."

"In 1993, Vera Coking sued Trump and his demolition contractor for damage to her home during construction of the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino. In 1997, she dropped the suit against Trump and settled with his contractor for $90,000.[41] Coking had refused to sell her home to Trump and ultimately won a 1998 Supreme Court decision that prevented Atlantic City from using eminent domain to condemn her property."

"In 1996, Trump was sued by more than 20 African-American residents of Indiana who charged that Trump reneged on promises to hire 70% of his work force from the minority community for his riverboat casino on Lake Michigan. The suit also charged that he hadn't honored his commitments to steer sufficient contracts to minority-owned businesses in Gary, Indiana. The suit was eventually dismissed due to procedural and jurisdiction issues."

"In April 1997, Jill Harth Houraney filed a $125,000,000 lawsuit against Trump for sexual harassment in 1993, claiming he "'groped' her under her dress and told her he wanted to make her his 'sex slave'". Harth voluntarily withdrew the suit when her husband settled a parallel case. Trump has called the allegations "meritless"."

"In the late 1990s, Donald Trump and rival Atlantic City casino owner Stephen Wynn engaged in an extended legal conflict during the planning phase of new casinos Wynn had proposed to build. Both owners filed lawsuits against one another and other parties, including the State of New Jersey, beginning with Wynn's antitrust accusation against Trump.[48][49] After two years in court, Wynn's Mirage casino sued Trump in 1999 alleging that his company had engaged in a conspiracy to harm Mirage and steal proprietary information, primarily lists of wealthy Korean gamblers. In response, Trump's attorneys claimed that Trump's private investigator dishonored his contract by working as a "double agent" for the Mirage casino by secretly taping conversations with Trump. All the cases were settled at the same time on the planned day of an evidentiary hearing in court in February 2000, which was never held."

"In 2001, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission brought a financial-reporting case against Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts Inc., alleging that the company had committed several "misleading statements in the company's third-quarter 1999 earnings release". Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts Inc. consented to the Commission's cease-and-desist order, said the culprit had been dismissed, and that Trump had personally been unaware of the matter."

"After the 2008 housing-market collapse, Deutsche Bank attempted to collect $40 million that Donald Trump personally guaranteed against their $640 million loan for Trump International Hotel and Towerin Chicago. Rather than paying the debt, Trump sued Deutsche Bank for $3 billion for undermining the project and damage to his reputation.[74] Deutsche Bank then filed suit to obtain the $40 million. The two parties settled in 2010 with Deutsche Bank extending the loan term by five years."

"In 2009, Trump was sued by investors who had made deposits for condos in the canceled Trump Ocean Resort Baja Mexico.[82] The investors said that Trump misrepresented his role in the project, stating after its failure that he had been little more than a spokesperson for the entire venture, disavowing any financial responsibility for the debacle.[83] Investors were informed that their investments would not be returned due to the cancellation of construction.[82] In 2013, Trump settled the lawsuit with more than one hundred prospective condo owners for an undisclosed amount."

"In 2013, 87-year-old Jacqueline Goldberg alleged that Trump cheated her in a condominium sale by bait-and-switch when she was purchasing properties at the Trump International Hotel and Tower."

Note: This is a suit he made... I kept put it in because "Wow" - "In 2015, Trump initiated a $100 million lawsuit against Palm Beach County claiming that officials, in a "deliberate and malicious" act, pressured the FAA to direct air traffic to the Palm Beach International Airport over his Mar-a-Lago estate, because he said the airplanes damaged the building and disrupted its ambiance.[88] Trump had previously sued the county twice over airport noise; the first lawsuit, in 1995, ended with an agreement between Trump and the county; Trump's second lawsuit, in 2010, was dismissed."

"In October 2016, the Ontario Court of Appeal ruled that Trump, together with two principals of a connected developer, could be sued for various claims, including oppression, collusion and breach of fiduciary duties, in relation to his role in the marketing of units in the Trump International Hotel and Tower in Toronto, Canada.[91] A subsequent application for leave to appeal was dismissed by the Supreme Court of Canada in March 2017.[92] Also in October 2016, JCF Capital ULC (a private firm that had bought the construction loan on the building) announced that it was seeking court approval under the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act to have the building sold in order to recoup its debt, which then totaled $301 million.[93] The court allowed for its auction[94] which took place in March 2017, but no bidders, apart from one stalking horse offer, took part."

Also, a suit he made... but Wow! - "Also in 2011, an appellate court upheld a New Jersey Superior Court judge's decision dismissing Trump's $5 billion defamation lawsuit against author Timothy L. O'Brien, who had reported in his book, TrumpNation: The Art of Being the Donald (2005), that Trump's true net worth was really between $150 and $250 million. Trump had reportedly told O'Brien he was worth billions and, in 2005, had publicly stated such.[96] Trump said that the author's alleged underestimation of his net worth was motivated by malice and had cost him business deals and damage to his reputation.[97] The appellate court, however, ruled against Trump, citing the consistency of O'Brien's three confidential sources."

Another suit he made after being accused of rigging something - "In 2014, the former Miss Pennsylvania Sheena Monnin ultimately settled a $5 million arbitration judgment against her, having been sued by Trump after alleging that the Miss USA 2012 pageant results were rigged. Monnin wrote on her Facebook page that another contestant told her during a rehearsal that she had seen a list of the top five finalists, and when those names were called in their precise order, Monnin realized the pageant election process was suspect, compelling Monnin to resign her Miss Pennsylvania title. The Trump Organization's lawyer said that Monnin's allegations had cost the pageant a lucrative British Petroleum sponsorship deal and threatened to discourage women from entering Miss USA contests in the future.[99] According to Monnin, testimony from the Miss Universe Organization and Ernst & Youngrevealed that the top 15 finalists were selected by pageant directors regardless of preliminary judges' scores.[100] As part of the settlement, Monnin was not required to retract her original statements."

"On January 17, 2017, Summer Zervos, represented by attorney Gloria Allred, filed a defamation suit against President-Elect Donald Trump for claiming that she had lied in her public sexual assault allegations against him."

In July 2011, New York firm ALM Unlimited filed a lawsuit against Trump, who ended payments to the company in 2008 after nearly three years. ALM was hired in 2003 to seek offers from clothing companies for a Trump fashion line, and had arranged a meeting between Trump and PVH, which licensed the Trump name for dress shirts and neckwear. ALM, which had received over $300,000, alleged in the lawsuit that Trump's discontinuation of payments was against their initial agreement. In pre-trial depositions, Trump and two of his business officials – attorney George H. Ross and executive vice president of global licensing Cathy Glosser – gave contradictory statements regarding whether ALM was entitled to payments. Trump, who felt that ALM had only a limited role in the deal between him and PVH, said "I have thousands of checks that I sign a week, and I don't look at very many of the checks; and eventually I did look, and when I saw them (ALM) I stopped paying them because I knew it was a mistake or somebody made a mistake."[102]

"In 2013, in a lawsuit filed by New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, Trump was accused of defrauding more than 5,000 people of $40 million for the opportunity to learn Trump's real estate investment techniques in a for-profit training program, Trump University, which operated from 2005 to 2011.[106][107][108] Trump ultimately stopped using the term "University" following a 2010 order from New York regulators, who called Trump's use of the word "misleading and even illegal"; the state had previously warned Trump in 2005 to drop the term or not offer seminars in New York.[109][110][111] Although Trump has claimed a 98% approval rating on course evaluations, former students recounted high-pressure tactics from instructors seeking the highest possible ratings, including threats of withholding graduation certificates,[112] and more than 2,000 students had sought and received course refunds before the end of their paid seminars."

"In a separate class action civil suit against Trump University in mid-February 2014, a San Diego federal judge allowed claimants in California, Florida, and New York to proceed;[113] a Trump counterclaim, alleging that the state Attorney General's investigation was accompanied by a campaign donation shakedown, was investigated by a New York ethics board and dismissed in August 2015.[114] Trump filed a $1 million defamation suit against former Trump University student Tarla Makaeff, who had spent about $37,000 on seminars, after she joined the class action lawsuit and publicized her classroom experiences on social media.[83] Trump University was later ordered by a U.S. District Judge in April 2015 to pay Makaeff and her lawyers $798,774.24 in legal fees and costs."

Also a suit filed by Trump that shows how thin-skinned he is -"In 2013 Trump sued comedian Bill Maher for $5 million for breach of contract.[116] Maher had appeared on The Tonight Show with Jay Lenoand had offered to pay $5 million to a charity if Trump produced his birth certificate to prove that Trump's mother had not mated with an orangutan. This was said by Maher in response to Trump having previously challenged Obama to produce his birth certificate, and offering $5 million payable to a charity of Obama's choice, if Obama produced his college applications, transcripts, and passport records.[117][118] Trump produced his birth certificate and filed a lawsuit after Maher was not forthcoming, claiming that Maher's $5 million offer was legally binding. "I don't think he was joking," Trump said. "He said it with venom."[117] Trump withdrew his lawsuit against the comedian after eight weeks."

"In 2014, model Alexia Palmer filed a civil suit against Trump Model Management for promising a $75,000 annual salary but paying only $3,380.75 for three years' work. Palmer, who came to the US at age 17 from Jamaica under the H-1B visa program in 2011,[120] claimed to be owed more than $200,000. Palmer contended that Trump Model Management charged, in addition to a management fee, "obscure expenses" from postage to limousine rides that consumed the remainder of her compensation. Palmer alleged that Trump Model Management promised to withhold only 20% of her net pay as agency expenses, but after charging her for those "obscure expenses", ended up taking 80%.[121]Trump attorney Alan Garten claimed the lawsuit is "bogus and completely frivolous".[122][123] Palmer filed a class-action lawsuit against the modeling agency with similar allegations.[124] The case was dismissed from U.S. federal court in March 2016, in part because Palmer's immigration status, via H1-B visa sponsored by Trump, required labor complaints to be filed through a separate process."

"In June 2015, the Culinary Workers Union filed charges with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB), alleging that the owners of Trump Hotel Las Vegas "violated the federally protected rights of workers to participate in union activities" and engaged in "incidents of alleged physical assault, verbal abuse, intimidation, and threats by management".[141] In October 2015, the Trump Ruffin Commercial and Trump Ruffin Tower I, the owners of Trump Hotel Las Vegas, sued the Culinary Workers Union and another union, alleging that they had knowingly distributed flyers that falsely stated that Donald Trump had stayed at a rival unionized hotel, rather than his own non-unionized hotel, during a trip to Las Vegas."

"The state Democratic parties of Nevada, Pennsylvania, Arizona, and Ohio filed lawsuits against Trump for encouraging illegal voter intimidation. The states' Democratic parties are also suing their respective Republican party counterparts, along with Roger Stone, who is allegedly recruiting poll watchers and organizing ballot security" efforts in a number of states. Stone runs the group "Stop the Steal." It claims Trump supporters yelled at voters outside Las Vegas area polling places when they said they weren't voting for the Republican nominee, and that Stone is asking supporters to conduct an illegitimate "exit polling" initiative aimed at intimidating voters of color."

Another suit he filed to criticize polling practices that enabled more people from a majority-Hispanic area to vote in the election - "On November 8, 2016, Trump filed a lawsuit claiming early voting polling places in Clark County, Nevada, were kept open too late. These precincts had high turnout of Latino voters. Nevada state law explicitly states that polls are to stay open to accommodate eligible voters in line at closing time. Hillary Clinton campaign advisor Neera Tanden says the Trump campaign is trying to suppress Latino voter turnout. A political analyst from Nevada, Jon Ralston tweeted that the Trump lawsuit is "insane" in a state that clearly allows the polls to remains open until everyone in line has voted. Former Nevada Secretary of State Ross Miller, posted the statute that states "voting must continue until those voters have voted". Miller said: "If there are people in line waiting to vote at 7 pm, voting must continue until everyone votes.... We still live in America, right?"

"During a campaign rally on March 1, 2016 in Louisville, Kentucky, Trump repeatedly said "get 'em out of here" while pointing at anti-Trump protesters as they were forcibly escorted out by his supporters. Three protesters say they were repeatedly shoved and punched while Trump pointed at them from the podium, citing widely shared video evidence of the events. They also cited previous statements by Trump about paying the legal bills of supporters who got violent, or suggesting a demonstrator deserved to be "roughed up.""

"Defendant Heimbach requested to dismiss the discussion in the lawsuit about his association with a white nationalist group, and also requested to dismiss discussion of statements he made about how a President Trump would advance the interests of the group. The request was declined, with the judge saying the information could be important for determining punitive damages because they add context."

"Adult film actress Stormy Daniels has alleged that she and Trump had an extramarital affair in 2006, months after the birth of his youngest child.[160] Just before the 2016 presidential election Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, was paid $130,000 by Trump's attorney Michael Cohen as part of a non-disclosure agreement (NDA), through an LLC set up by Cohen; he says he used his own money for the payment.[161] In February 2018, Daniels filed suit against the LLC asking to be released from the agreement so that she can tell her story. Cohen filed a private arbitration proceeding and obtained a restraining order to keep her from discussing the case.[162] According to White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Trump has denied the allegations."

"The Special Counsel investigation is a United States law enforcement investigation of Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and any Russian (or other foreign) interference in the election, including exploring any possible links or coordination between Trump’s campaign and the Russian government, "and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."[178] Since May 2017, the investigation has been led by a United States Special Counsel, Robert Mueller, a former Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Mueller's investigation took over several FBI investigations including those involving former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn."

"Starting in 2003, the Trump Organization worked with Felix Sater, who had a 1998 racketeering conviction for a $40 million Mafia-linked stock fraud scheme, and who had then become an informant against the mafia.[196] Trump's attorney has said that Sater worked with Trump scouting real estate opportunities, but was never formally employed."

This is not to mention all of the racist, xenophobic, Islamophobic, and misogynistic statements that he's made... or the 22 women who have accused Donald Trump of sexual harassment. Also, not to mention the fact that he wanted to put all Muslims on a registry, Gestapo-style.

And the fact that he outsourced 93,000 jobs his first year despite running on the platform of "Keep jobs in America." And the fact that he proposed a "Muslim Ban" that he then referred to as just a ban of people from 'these particular countries that happen to be majority Muslim... but they pose the most risk to us', despite the fact that Saudi Arabia (who he does business with) was NOT on that list. 

It's like the guy is immune from having any real consequences applied to him. The most he had to do was to give money, which he has a ton of. So, nothing has ever effected him long-term. 

And no matter what his supporters are always like, "What did Donald Trump do?" (Jackie Chan face)

Edit: Also, one of the first things he did when he was in office was to roll back protections to prevent the Dakota Access Pipeline from being built. So many Native Americans protested and fought to have their homes protected against it. And Obama created a law that protected it. But when Trump got elected, rolling back that law was like the first thing he did. 

Also, not joining the Paris agreement and trying to roll back other environmental protections has been something that he's quite well known for.

Edited August 25, 2018 by Emerald

[Forestluv]

50 minutes ago, Outer said:

I don't sense, I see directly that so far you don't want to explain what you think Trump has done wrong, sure you never said he has done anything wrong, but you started engaging with me thus I want to know of your opinion.

Tell me what you think or what thoughts appear.

I think you are attached to, and identify with, certain beliefs. The desire to engage with the belief is part of the attachment. It’s an evasive tactic of the ego that prevents observation of the belief. The ego/self does not like having a spotlight shined on itself. 

De-identifying and observing beliefs is a major ingredient of self-actualization. If these beliefs arise during your next meditation, perhaps you could observe them without attachment. Imagine you were sitting beside a river and each belief is a log floating down a river. If you can observe without attachment, next inquire “from where did this belief arise?”.

It’s a difficult process, yet the liberation that results is worth the effort imo.

[Emerald]

3 minutes ago, Outer said:

Yes, but Leo isn't, so he's a hypocrite.

Nothing wrong about this, even though it might emotionally hurt.

He owns the building, he can do what he wants with it.

His property, his business. Aren't you allowed to move guests from one side of your home to another?

The other quotes are of a similar nature, nothing really bad...

It's not wrong to make racist, xenophobic, Islamophobic or misogynist statements.

What Muslim registry? Lol.

Saudi Arabia should be on that list too, and that Muslim country list was put in place by Obama.

Because speech is not bad and wrong because it hurts someone's feelings. It's only wrong if it incites violence.

 

Feel how you're feeling now. This is what cognitive dissonance feels like.

It doesn't matter what he does, his supporters will always support him as his loyal subjects.

[Aimblack]

2 hours ago, Outer said:

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/03/10/pew-makes-it-official-republicans-are-smarter-than-democrats-54686

If you aren't trolling I feel legitimately bad for you

[Forestluv]

2 minutes ago, Outer said:

That has nothing to do with this, you just didn't want to answer and that's it.

You're free to tell me what you think about Donald J. Trump, if you want, still.

Do you genuinely want to expand your conscioysness? If so, notice how your mind wants to engage with the thought/belief. 

[Emerald]

@Outer Cognitive dissonance also refers to the state of discomfort that arises when reality clashes with a person's worldview... which often causes them to do mental gymnastics, extreme rationalizations, obfuscations, and deflections in order to keep their worldview in place. 

[Emerald]

2 minutes ago, Outer said:

 

@Emerald

Do you want to remove the 1st Amendment and criminalize statements like Donald Trump has done (which you say are xenophobic xphobig blahblahblahphobic statements?

Whenever someone's view on Donald Trump gets thrown into question, they always jump to the constitution to hide under. This is part of that cognitive dissonance. 

I'm a free speech absolutist myself. But many of those issues extend beyond just free speech, and you know it. That's why you only picked like 7 out of the 40 lawsuits that I posted. You left most of what I wrote on the table.

But a person who espouses such ugliness has the ability to create mob mentalities against certain groups of people. And I've seen a HUGE shift for the worst since he got elected. So he should not be in power because he is fundamentally corrupt and not fit to lead... And he DOES incite violence mostly indirectly. In fact, inciting violence at his rallies was one of the suits that I listed. 

But you're so concerned with protecting your beliefs about him, that you've lost track of what I originally said to Leo that you answered to.

I said that I doubt he will have to answer for what he's done. He's done SOOO many things in the past, and come out smelling like a rose. He's one of those kinds of people that can do the most horrible things so tactfully that he tricks everyone into allowing him to do whatever he wants. I will be surprised if he ever faces ANY real consequences for his actions. 

[Forestluv]

7 minutes ago, Emerald said:

@Outer Cognitive dissonance also refers to the state of discomfort that arises when reality clashes with a person's worldview... which often causes them to do mental gymnastics, extreme rationalizations, obfuscations, and deflections in order to keep their worldview in place. 

There are so many defense mechanisms  to protect a conditioned, contacted perspective. I’ve had to work through many myself.

[SgtPepper]

10 minutes ago, Outer said:

I haven't said anything what I think of Donald J. Trump.

@Emerald

Do you want to remove the 1st Amendment and criminalize statements like Donald Trump has done (which you say are xenophobic xphobig blahblahblahphobic statements?

People here aren't saying its a crime. Something doesn't have to be a crime to be "wrong". It's a not a crime for me to give the finger at people, but its certainly not going to make me any friends or civil conversations happen.

People in America dislike/hate trump because he has a track record of saying stupid offensive shit, but then on top of that, he has a shady business past, and has been accused of sexual assault by multiple woman. Not even mentioning the Russian investigation.

I can see why people like him and I can see why people don't like him.

 

[Forestluv]

2 minutes ago, Outer said:

You can't expand consciousness.

I'm definitely thinking and I think I am correct. I don't think you've come close to convincing me otherwise.

Perhaps it would be better to ask if you want to expand your self-awareness.

Yes you are thinking. Can you observe those thoughts without attachment and identification? 

There is something here MUCH deeper than the thoughts themselves.

 

[SgtPepper]

3 minutes ago, Outer said:

eating animals is wrong, so is buying leather or otherwise supporting them. when vegans like emerald start saying certain speech makes you bad, that makes the words useless since it's used for something mild as speech. that's why animal rights activists like Gary Yourofsky (high iq) retire.

well what speech is bad is dependent on the audience.

Trump is the president of the United States, not the owner of a VFW. 

Can you imagine of Obama, George bush, or Clinton was accused of sexual assault by 10+ females? or even said half of the stuff he did. That shit wouldn't fly... Perhaps Trump is a wizard.

[TeamBills]

I don't understand why people in the U.S. are so obsessed with Trump. It feels to me like people never stop talking about him. Has anyone else noticed how late night television has turned into lets complain about Donald Trump for an hour? 

[SgtPepper]

4 minutes ago, TeamBills said:

I don't understand why people in the U.S. are so obsessed with Trump. It feels to me like people never stop talking about him. Has anyone else noticed how late night television has turned into lets complain about Donald Trump for an hour? 

very true. 

 

2 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

Clinton actually is accused of several assaults and got almost impeached due to the Levinskigate.

That's right. I forgot about that. Pretty unacceptable for someone who should be an outstanding person as the President.

[Emerald]

1 minute ago, Outer said:

Some of  those quotes you posted were legit, that's why I left them out, but many weren't.

IMMORALITY is when you initiate force or fraud against another being. If you murder, rape, steal or fraud, etc.

I asked about the constitution because you brought up Donald's speech. If you're for freedom of speech, this is not an issue, that's why I asked. If you want to convince me Donald Trump is an asshole many times, I wouldn't disagree. But when leftists are coming for the speech all across the country and the world, it's important to ask.

You have a very limited idea of ethical behavior then. Also, you're supposed to expect more from a leader and an influencer than you would of an average person who doesn't hold that level of power.

Racism, misogyny, xenophobia, and other such things are huge burden upon the world and on collective consciousness. Real people deal with the consequences of these ideas. And when a popular political leader espouses such viewpoints, then the world become more dangerous for people who exist within those groups. And it can lead to all kinds of truly horrible things. So, those things are definitely unethical and unbecoming of a leader, especially in the year 2018. But I can tell by the way you talked about it as "blahblahblahisms" that you're not aware enough to notice just how negative these things are.

But it's not that Donald Trump is an asshole that's the problem. It's that he's creating really unhealthy patterns and brainwashing people. 

But the so-named "Free-Speech Defense" is a common way for people with harmful opinions and beliefs to deflect from criticism or to avoid undermining their worldview. And I see the same thing going on in your posts.

This is the reason why Donald Trump's harmfulness goes under so many people's radars. He knows how to manipulate and trick people who are Orange and below, which is most people. And when someone calls him out, he'll just cry "fake news", and 30% of the population will just eat it up because it's what they want to hear.

 

[Emerald]

30 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

There are so many defense mechanisms  to protect a conditioned, contacted perspective. I’ve had to work through many myself.

They're definitely difficult to work through... some of them, anyway.

[lmfao]

This thread has SPIRALED (bud dum tiss) out of control and the OP didn't even explain the reasoning behind the point of view that Trump is leading USA up SD hierarchy as it is described in the book he read. 

 

 

Edited August 25, 2018 by lmfao

[RichardY]

Why isn't there more scrutiny on Bill Clintion for rape though?

Also given they managed to go bankrupt despite not managing billions of dollars. 

Watched a programme on sky news a while a go in the UK, said Trump is actually related to Hillary Clinton through the John of Gaunt line (relative of Richard III) was during the election, found it funny because they were playing sympathy for the devil. "I'm going to give you the choice I never had."

I would have voted for Trump, said it was the Iran Nuclear deal the made him run  and finance his own campaign for President. Having said that a part of me would have really liked Hillary to have won, either war in the ukraine, Iran with rogue nuclear materials, selling out to the Chinese  etc "Don't shoot let'em burn!" Still might happen though.

Like when Trump was saying got to hand it to the Korean guy/Rocket man, he kills off his uncle his brother etc. A bit of admiration there. Or Hillary laughing her head off about Gaddfi being sodmozied to death with a bayonet, not really the best way, would have been better if he got strangled to death between the thighs of one of his female guards or something. All good entertainment, just not me(still feel bound for some reason).

[Emerald]

16 minutes ago, Outer said:

Let me hear your solution to racism, misogyn and xenophobia then please. Also give example of each three of someone being each of those. What is a racist statement, what is a misogynstic statement, what is a xenophobic statement?

Blabhblahblahphobia is correct, as you keep using terms I don't know. So you can enlighten me.

My solution to each of these things requires for people to look inside themselves and to realize that we have unconscious biases that we all hold. So, that means no deflection, no self-deception, and no assuring one's own self of their own virtue and rightness. We must all look at ourselves warts and all to see how these patterns function below the surface. And these patterns must be brought to light. That's what's happening now, and why the most progressive people are the most maligned and demonized in the political sphere as of late. They're pointing out what we all already knew deep down, but tried to avoid.

You could also argue that Trump has been bringing things to the light of consciousness as well in a more volatile and harmful way... but consciousness is consciousness none-the-less. I know that I've learned so much about how unconscious masses can be lead and weaponized by charismatic leaders, and how much further we still have to go with eliminating resistance toward a fully integrated world.

Right now, the majority of the population thinks of these things in terms of the most extreme groups that overtly hate the others groups. So, the idea is akin to, "Racists are only people in the KKK". So, it's a good way for people who aren't being effected by racism to wash their hands of blame and responsibility toward helping remedy those issues. They can just comfort themselves in the thought, "Well, I'm not racist, and racists are only a small group of people in hate groups that have no power."

But all of these "isms' are both pervasive and subtle. An oppression on the macro level functions similar to a repression of the human psyche on the micro level. So, everyone is effected negatively by these resistances that we hold. And our consciousness gets squelched, which leads to more chaos and social decay.

But if we as a society become more aware of the mechanisms behind oppression and prejudice and notice them in ourselves, we can be aware of these traps and avoid them in the future. And eventually, we will cycle out of them so that it's completely incompatible to society in future generations. 

Also, the integration of the Divine Feminine will help us with finding our capacity for compassion, trust, understanding, and empathy. This will help the process along.

Until then, we have to continue staying on point and not being distracted by deflections and "what-about-isms" and the tone of moral certainty that less conscious people are better able to wield. We must speak what is true to the fullest extent of our ability. And we all know deep down what that means.

 

Edited August 25, 2018 by Emerald