Shamanic Breathing Mega-Thread

[Charlotte]

@Leo Gura leo you have always said, over and over again something along the lines of "there's always more to grasp, never stop looking" from what I'm reading of you lately, you've hit a point in your journey (well done btw) and it seems like you've stopped looking, exploring? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[LiakosN]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@egoless You just wasting your time playing these ego games

 

Remember that time when you were a teenager and masturbating to some porn ? Didn't you waste your time ?

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Lol

By that logic everything false is true.

Getting the level of consciousness right is the whole rub.

It's of little solice to say, "The Earth is 5000 years old, from my level of consciousness."

That's what I believe. From my perspective it seems right. I am not saying that this is the absolute truth. As I am becoming more aware and contemplate what death is and what is not I'll probably change opinions.

P.S I am a Greek guy, what does solice really mean ?

[blazed]

It is hard to interpret the words of spiritual wisdom, especially when they paradoxical in nature, and contrary to even themselves.

Death is the end of the biological human body you're experiencing right now, in your direct experience right now, are you not experiencing the perceptions of a human body right now? Isn't it so? Hello? I'm speaking to you (in sadhguru's voice lol)

This human body like all life strives to survive, if you cut it, it will start to heal itself it doesn't care about your conscious effort to heal it, it will do it on its own, it will pump blood around the body, fight off viruses and diseases, digest your food, keep you breathing, etc. etc.

Depending on what sort of information you soak into your mind you can become dysfunctional and violent towards the body.

I would suggest not to get stuck in the "illusion" stage in the world of spirituality once you figure out the substance of everything is nothingness because if misunderstood it can become a negative vibe and nihilism.

It goes full circle, “everything is nothingness, I am nothingness, I don't actually exist, oh but this is all I know, this is all I am perceiving right now, oh everything is me, everything is within me, I am all of it, and all of it is REAL as far my direct experience goes”.

What you are is already perfect, this thing cannot change, it cannot be worked on because it does not have a human mind or an ego, it is not a person, it is not concerned with human mind-sets, it's like an ant entering a human body state and realizing what human experience is compared to ant's experience, big fucking difference.

You are always on, it is there when you're stressed out, when things are not going well, when you think there is something wrong with you and that there is more to gain, that you're not awake. There are two very popular things you can say in any moment to instantly wake up consciousness "Am I aware?" and "Is existence taking place right?" and a little enquiry to what existence is in the moment can help too.

Here’s a geeky analogy.

The monitor is there all the time, the monitor is not responsible for how fast the PC is, whether it can run the latest software, if the software is installed, what is being portrayed on the screen, what videos are being played, it doesn't care if someone is playing a productive video or watching child pornography.

If the computer's life span is up and it fries up and burns out, the computer gets replaced and the monitor starts to displaying a whole new set of information pumped out by the new computer.

You are the monitor, and as Matt Khan says, “you’re not on a spiritual journey, the body is". your true nature is always there, it's never off, you can't lose it.

And so it is violent to say to the body “pfft you don't exist, nothing exists”, it is non cooperation and denial.

I think the illusion analogy is only good for the beginner who has never considered an alternative reality or dream like existence, where they think everything is real and written in stone, 1 reality.

[moon777light]

shamanic breathing reports turned into enlightenment arguments ..again  

[Space]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Because I have awoken.

Wake up for yourself and see.

Death is impossible.

Leo, after reading a bunch of your recent comments I get the impression you have had some deep awakening experiences recently. Are you in a permanent state of non-dual awareness now? Whats your baseline level of consciousness? Would be v interested to hear about it.

Edited April 18, 2018 by Space

[blazed]

I did 90 minutes today... The process was easy but the aftermath is bullshit 2 hours later I still can't walk without feeling nauseated and sick.

I Don't recommend long periods.

 

Edited April 18, 2018 by blazed

[LiakosN]

@blazed Might because you went balls deep too fast. I think we should gradually prolong the periods of breathing.

[Leo Gura]

11 hours ago, Charlotte said:

@Leo Gura leo you have always said, over and over again something along the lines of "there's always more to grasp, never stop looking" from what I'm reading of you lately, you've hit a point in your journey (well done btw) and it seems like you've stopped looking, exploring? Correct me if I'm wrong.

No, I am always looking for more and open to being wrong.

But I have also seen the end.

It's a paradox.

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Space said:

Leo, after reading a bunch of your recent comments I get the impression you have had some deep awakening experiences recently. Are you in a permanent state of non-dual awareness now? Whats your baseline level of consciousness? Would be v interested to hear about it.

I will release a vid about it.

[blazed]

3 minutes ago, see_on_see said:

Right, gotta try to double the time next time.

As I said I feel great after doing it, even 10 min which I tried today. Do you think it'd be ok to do a short 10-20 min session every day, just for the feel good effect? (on top of a weekly longer session)

You want dark stuff to come up?

I think each person is different, some people have emotional problems, inner demons,  or things on their minds, some people have expectation of woowoo stuff and so their mind's manifests what they want.

I peak at around 45mins so 90 mins felt the same but it hit the body like a truck afterwards when I felt really sick due to dizziness.

I would recommend you move up in increments and see how you feel each time instead of doing a long session as you might puke, I came very close!

[Pernani]

On 4/17/2018 at 11:14 PM, Leo Gura said:

That's the rub!

That's the essence of all deep spiritual work. It is so deep, it's absolutely frightening at first.

Your entire reality must ultimately collapse. And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Now you understand why people stay as far away from true spirituality as possible. It is a slippery slope that ultimately ends in the annihilation of self and reality.

P.S. Your experience right now of this moment --  of a human being sitting here reading this sentence -- is a hallucination

I think it's also interesting to mention that at that same night right before I was about to sleep, it was all quiet but then I started hearing some rumbling noise from outside on the streets, I wasn't sure what it was and suddenly I have this immense fear rushing through all of my body, a fear of death, so strong that it made me sweat all over.

I guess I was so shaken at that moment that I thought a tsunami was gonna hit me or some shit.

thanks for the reality check by the way 

[Wouter]

I had an urge to swallow, is this ok to do, or does this sabotage the technique?

What about the hight of the pillow, should be not to thick in order to not prevent blood flow to the brain?

Edited April 19, 2018 by Wouter

[Space]

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I will release a vid about it.

Awesome! Looking forward to it

[egoless]

On 4/18/2018 at 9:26 PM, Leo Gura said:

But I have also seen the end.

 

If you mean the source - unmanifested. I see that end constantly now. I literally see through the reality and “see” unmanifested in any thing. But my point is, trying to spread it directly to others who haven’t experienced it may lead to more beliefs, misunderstandings and attachments... 

 

Edited April 20, 2018 by egoless

[Lynnel]

So is the holotropic/shamanic breathing technique safe or not in the end ?

I've seen a lot of debate arround it and I can't wait to try it but I have my doubts also.

[moon777light]

1 hour ago, Lynnel said:

So is the holotropic/shamanic breathing technique safe or not in the end ?

I've seen a lot of debate arround it and I can't wait to try it but I have my doubts also.

nothing is safe. But if you really want to know, id say relatively safe. Deep divers do the same thing regarding oxgyen levels to their brain. And id say theyre very healthy. Again the only bad thing is one can pass out during a session, which happens if you go in for a long session having never done the technique before. Id just say to not start with 30 minutes, but start with 15, then 20, then 25, 30, 40, 50, and i'd stop at 60 for at home, alone, sessions. More than that you should have a sitter. 

[Taha mouline]

I 'd like to share my 2 trips report of this technique : 

1st one 12.04.18 : 

• Duration : 15-20 m in.
• Experience : Tiggling, a feeling of peace and positif emotion and a little emotional release with tears.
• After the session : I felt weird and good at the same time. When I stood up, I was hearing a sound in my mind or ear, it was coming from inside me I am sur. The sound stayed about 5-10 minutes and then disapear.  Did everyone experience hearing a sound ?

2nd one : 20.04.18 :

• Duration : 15 min
• Experience : Tiggling, I felt cold, and my eyes opened suddenly like if something huge had come up, I think it was a resistance, I hesitated to stop the experience and then I have decided to keep doing the breathing.  a little emotional release with tears as well during the session. 
• After the session : I felt calm and very aware.  When I stood up, I was hearing a sound in my mind or ear, it was coming from inside me I am sur. The sound stayed about 5-10 minutes and then disapear like the last time.

 

In between the 2 sessions, after the 1 st session, I felt already more open to people, more alive and a feeling of freedom in my way to speak and when I shot my vidéos on youtubes.  I felt a lot of little emotional release during the week when I took the time to "be" and to do nothing.

It happenned as well when I was mindfully walking in nature or just in the street.  I feel something is happening in my subconscious mind and the fact of thaking the time to be aware of it during my daily life help probably the process of emotions release. So very entousiast about this technique and a big thanks to you Leo for the gift !

 

[Javier]

1st attempt: 10 min 

Felt some intense tingling in my hands specially at the 10 min mark and then like 6 minutes after also. Feeling some tingling on my feet right now like 12 min after stopping breathing. 

Update (1day later):

- I felt really uncomfortable at the beginning of the breathing, my lower back hurted.

- I don't know if it is related, but today in the morning in my 20 min meditation, I stopped breathing to see if I could breath deeply because many times I feel like my chest is "blocked". So I did that but the opposite happend, I felt a weird pain and also like if someone was pressing my chest. I took small breaths because if not my chest would hurt. I think I have a blocked chakra or something.

- Anyways that's why I started this technique. Next week I'll do 15 min.

 

Edited April 21, 2018 by Javier
Update

[Source_Mystic]

On 4/8/2018 at 1:12 PM, Lurtsi said:

 

Edit: Apparently the spasms are common effect of hyperventilation. Though I'm not sure if there's some dangers in them.

@Lurtsi This effect is due to the lack of oxygen to your body and brain. Do some reasearch into oxygen deprevation and whether it is healthy. 

 

[Source_Mystic]

@Leo Gura  So are you going to correct your errors and stop spreading misinformation  and be transparent and nonbias or are you going to hide behind a shroud of willed ingnoance and avoidance.  

This technique causes extended oxygen deprevation. That is lack of oxygen to your brain body and organs for the entire duration you pracice it.