Disidentifying

[Nahm]

@Mikael89 It’s worth it man. Learning this ‘second language’ is part of the discovery of unlearning the inner-language of conditioning, of anger, of fear. It’s sooo deep in there, cause the “I” “self” is soooo deep in there. Sooooo worthwhile.

Absolutely a joy to witness. 

This is a great thread. ????????

[robdl]

3 minutes ago, Faceless said:

Indeed. 

Attachment, dependence on time, with sole purpose self affirmation, self validation, or to secure ones own psychological permanence. 

Even when sitting alone, we can see the movement of all these projected images of others — thinking of others. Thought will use these false relationship-images to nourish itself/fragmentation/division even when alone with nobody around.

[Faceless]

3 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

This forum is making me insane.

You don’t need the forum. That’s the beauty of it. 

[Big Guru Balls]

3 minutes ago, robdl said:

Thought will use these false relationship-images to nourish itself/fragmentation/division even when alone with nobody around.

Mental masturbation?
 

Edited August 25, 2018 by Big Guru Balls

[Faceless]

Leo’s work in developing practical-functional life goals is great. But psychologically everything you need is within yourself. 

[robdl]

Just now, Big Guru Balls said:

Mental masturbation?

Or as you put it, thought fornicating with itself to keep itself alive haha.

[Big Guru Balls]

1 minute ago, robdl said:

Or as you put it, thought fornicating with itself to keep itself alive haha.

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[Faceless]

3 minutes ago, robdl said:

Or as you put it, thought fornicating with itself to keep itself alive haha.

?

Its so subtle indeed. 

It’s actually very interesting all of this, isn’t it? 

Edited August 25, 2018 by Faceless

[robdl]

Just now, Faceless said:

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Its so subtle indeed. 

It’s actually very interesting all of this isn’t it? 

Paramount 

[Big Guru Balls]

1 minute ago, Faceless said:

?

Its so subtle indeed. 

It’s actually very interesting all of this isn’t it? 

Fornication is always interesting.

[Big Guru Balls]

It is interesting if you have an idea of what's going. I can see how the laymen or "newb" would see it in a w.t.f?. is this, kind of way.

Edited August 25, 2018 by Big Guru Balls

[Big Guru Balls]

26 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

No idea.

Trying to understand why one doesn't understand is something that can't be understood.

In not trying to understand why one doesn't understand,there is understanding.

Understand?

Edited August 25, 2018 by Big Guru Balls

[Big Guru Balls]

7 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

No..

Then you understand,that you don't understand.
Which means you understand.

Edited August 25, 2018 by Big Guru Balls

[Ananta]

1 hour ago, Mikael89 said:

One Faceless is enough but now robdl is Faceless #2.

@Faceless @robdl

Hehe...found this meme a while ago and been waiting to use it! ???

[Faceless]

I am a nube or a layman. I have no formal education at all. For me there was no pursuit of abstraction, other than evasion of fear in a particular direction. I one day saw the the silliness in seeking psychologically and ended that movement of fear. Didn’t do any reading of books. After freedom without seeking, learned and am always learning the nature of thought. The holistic seeing and understanding and awareness came almost simultaneously for me. Spent the majority of time just learning how to communicate it. As @Nahm says the conditioned mechanical patterns of thought-self ultimately cause this self feeding loop to recirculate.⭕️

I would say the whole psychological seeking and understanding of the nature of thought self holistically was actualized with a five month period of connecting the dots to understanding and applying choiceless awareness to that understanding. I have spent a year and a half learning basic reading, communication to share with you folks. Again I have no former education. Not even grammer school. Lol 

i have stuffed years education into that short time frame. 

 

Edited August 25, 2018 by Faceless

[robdl]

Thought is unable-unwilling to hear-understand the fact that thought is in the way and there’s nothing for thought-self to do.

Thought isn’t having any of this empty, unconditioned awareness business. Thought needs to remain self-reactive, self-perpetuating, self-referencing, as its inherent nature to seek security in its own movement.

Edited August 25, 2018 by robdl

[Big Guru Balls]

2 minutes ago, robdl said:

Thought is unable-unwilling to hear-understand the fact that thought is in the way and there’s nothing for thought-self to do.

Understanding can then take place.

[robdl]

Thought-self is a fire that wants fuel added to it (active, directed/willed, conditioned, choiceful attention - which propagates its movement). Passive, whole, choiceless awareness is like offering fire some water. We can see how thought-self is biased in the quality of awareness it depends upon.

When faced with the latter, thought-self will invoke time-abstraction-fear-confusion-distraction — self-perpetuation.

Edited August 25, 2018 by robdl

[Ananta]

1 hour ago, Ingit said:

What is going on!!! 

So, the cliff notes version-

 @Feel Good got his big ass ego bruised by @who chit when he called Feel Good out by saying he was speaking from theory and not experience.

Feel Good then quickly lost his shit, spiraling downhill at lightening speed and somehow ultimately blamed it all on @Faceless, then stated he was leaving this forum for a Krishnamurti forum. ?

It's been quite entertaining ! ?

[Ingit]

@Anna1 ????