Disidentifying

[who chit]

2 minutes ago, Feel Good said:

@who chit

How do you know my conceptual understanding wants harvested from a personal experience?

You have no idea what other personal experiences are. 

 

There is lack of congruence in what is experiential and what is conceptual. When it is experiential,there's a deeper understanding of the more subtle aspects that just can't come from conceptual understanding. There's a different kind of communication going on,instead of "it's just the ego bro".

[Faceless]

13 minutes ago, Feel Good said:

I see. So I should trust who chit assemsenet of my personal experiences?

Hmmm 

 

For me all trust in others had ceased. As this trust is a psychological dependence. Psychological time. 

What exactly is there confusion about. Maybe going into this would be wise. What do you think? 

Edited August 25, 2018 by Faceless

[Faceless]

4 minutes ago, Feel Good said:

 

If there is more then I'll pass on that . I'm interested in living life not some morbid condition that takes ages of introspection to achieve. 

I have said it before, time has no place in this. Morbid or introspection ? Where do you get this assumption from?

[Faceless]

Can we detect what the root of all this confusion and conflict is coming from?

Is it fear perhaps.

How is fear distorting understanding and communication?

Until we are aware of this movement, either understanding or communication is impossible.

This is what I had suggested to @Jack River from the very beginning. And he saw the significance in that. He started there, and he sees how that must be put in order first. Do we see the importance in this, that is the question. 

[Faceless]

@Feel Good

@who chit

We are all on this together. We are responsible for what happens from here on out. Let’s be responsible, friends. What do you say? 

 

[who chit]

6 minutes ago, Feel Good said:

You can assess my understanding from one post?

 

There's just an ability to see when someone has put in the work,and someone who has just an intellectual grasping. It's like someone who's read all about swimming compared to someone who's been deep into the pool.

[Faceless]

4 minutes ago, Feel Good said:

If our genuine no self experiences are undermined then we continue seeking in the wrong places.

How can one trust a community of people who are competing rather than helping? 

I'm so sorry to anyone I've misled here 

That’s the point my friend. Not “to trust” or “not trust” but see for ourselves. We have to be free without fear to listen, and there has to be a freedom without psychological dependence to not accept or deny a particular communication. If there is no freedom to not pursue a certain direction, there is no freedom to explore for yourself. 

Edited August 25, 2018 by Faceless

[Faceless]

Thought-self is vary cunning. It will lead one in circles. Its very function-role depends on that. 

[Faceless]

This is why I stress going into psychological time, and the nature of thought so much. It seems to be the last thing people want to do though. 

Edited August 25, 2018 by Faceless

[Faceless]

14 minutes ago, Feel Good said:

I see. So who chit is denying my communication by telling me im delusional and projecting a concept. 

And how long has he been in your wisdom gang?

I doubt this stuff works at all.

You just got to look at the people involved 

I can’t speak for @who chit...we have not really communicated much. 

I am, an always have been totally alone. I am not into propaganda spreading at all. I still do not understand what your confusions are my friend. 

 

Edited August 25, 2018 by Faceless

[robdl]

27 minutes ago, Faceless said:

This is why I stress going into psychological time, and the nature of thought so much. It seems to be the last thing people want to do though. 

Yeah, thought-self’s perpetual pull into time-abstraction-distraction (all one and the same).

Edited August 25, 2018 by robdl

[Faceless]

4 minutes ago, Feel Good said:

Wasted enough of my time here.

Maybe, maybe not, but can we use this entire experience to learn from what has actually happened? 

 Can we see that fear is in movement and the driving force of all of this confusion?

 

[Faceless]

9 minutes ago, robdl said:

Yeah, thought-self’s perpetual pull into time-abstraction-distraction (all one and the same).

Indeed, Fear in motion. 

 positive & negative movement of self, time-abstraction-distraction, all one and the same movement of fear is in movement away from itself. Self feeding by moving in either direction. Fear being the underlying motive in all movement and action. In this implies this false division is still influencing action. If this is the case, confusion and the continuation of fear and then action (incomplete or fragmented action), is inevitable.

Edited August 25, 2018 by Faceless

[robdl]

@Feel Good It looks like you feel guilty over this, the idea that you’ve misled others.  Can you see that something like guilt is the movement of fear-self-time? How the ego can thrive on it? Are you divided/separated from the guilt, and therefore resistant/aversive to it, or can you see  that it is thought-self in action? 

[Faceless]

Fear will always nudge one to go beyond where one has not yet begun. 

[Faceless]

1 minute ago, robdl said:

@Feel Good It looks like you feel guilty over this, the idea that you’ve misled others.  Can you see that something like guilt is the movement of fear-self-time? How the ego can thrive on it? Are you divided/separated from the guilt, and therefore resistant/aversive to it, or can you see  that it is thought-self in action? 

Indeed. Divisive action feeding its very function and role of maintaining the illusion. 

[Faceless]

1 minute ago, Feel Good said:

@Faceless @robdl

I'm sure I can carry this on my own at a krishnamurti forum where people are a bit more versed in this teaching.

Thanks for your time. 

 

Good luck friend. 

[Jack River]

3 hours ago, Nahm said:

@Jack River Creation? I mean, after all, you are the one.

Am I? 

[Nahm]

@Jack River No.

[Jack River]

 

I have listened to Krishnamurti and tolle a lot. Never came together like it has the last few weeks. Fear or psychological attachment on thought really does prevent going beyond the known-knower. 

Faceless and robdl have both said this before.  We jump to conclusions or we feed into that loop. Seek security in it. 

Edited August 25, 2018 by Jack River