Masturba****

[Ingit]

I was thinking about some stuff which drains consciousness so might be looking for if ...Does Maturbation drains our consciousness??

[wavydude]

yup, it drains it straight out of your dick, better save your consciousness for some nice girl

[MM1988]

i dont know about the spiritual stuff but I think quitting porn is never a bad idea.

[Hello from Russia]

17 minutes ago, wavydude said:

yup, it drains it straight out of your dick, better save your consciousness for some nice girl

Nice one

[Ingit]

So I need to quit it and Limit that thing...  sometimes I feel addicted 

[Arkandeus]

don't feel bad about something completely natural

don't make up negative beliefs and ideas about it either

[Sbilko]

I think that no porn is good, but no fap is bad.

Also, you don't want to spend your whole day in your room fapping, wasting time and the future health of your tool. But you also don't want to spend the whole day undressing girls with your mind and thinking 99% of the time about sex. 

Moderation is the key! Masturbate enough so you don't think about it or stare at girls all day while they don't look. But not so much that you spend hours at it a day and waste all your day on it. 

[Moreira]

If you retain sperm this comes up through your spine and feeds your pineal gland. if you waste this concentrated energy your meditation will be meh

[Ingit]

13 hours ago, Sbilko said:

I think that no porn is good, but no fap is bad.

Also, you don't want to spend your whole day in your room fapping, wasting time and the future health of your tool. But you also don't want to spend the whole day undressing girls with your mind and thinking 99% of the time about sex. 

Moderation is the key! Masturbate enough so you don't think about it or stare at girls all day while they don't look. But not so much that you spend hours at it a day and waste all your day on it. 

AgrEe !!!! 

 

12 hours ago, Moreira said:

If you retain sperm this comes up through your spine and feeds your pineal gland. if you waste this concentrated energy your meditation will be meh

What do you mean My Meditation will be meh

[Aaron p]

@Arkandeus

17 hours ago, Arkandeus said:

don't feel bad about something completely natural

don't make up negative beliefs and ideas about it either

I agree

[dlof]

It can drain your life-force energy, but no-fappers who abstain for months aren't doing anything good either since you can get something which is called 'jing stagnation' in Qigong. According to Taoism, a man should ejaculate a certain amount based on his age and constitution: they say in your teens and twenties once every 4 days, thirties once every 8 days, forties once every 16 days, fifties once every 21 days and sixties+ once every 30 days. This varies though depending on the tradition and the constitution of the man in question.

That's just ejaculation though. You also want to ensure that you're not generating particularly negative feelings from whatever porn you use.

[Privet]

Porn and masturbation don't drain consciousness, it drains your mental and physical health.

Rather lack of consciousness makes you overuse sexual pleasures. Lack of consciousness makes you unaware of the subjective unpleasant experience caused by the damage of overuse. If you are truly aware of the damage you prevent overuse.

[XYZ]

You wouldn't need to ask such questions if you tried not ejaculating for a month and see for yourself. And I would highly recommend this.

[TeamBills]

On 8/22/2018 at 2:57 PM, Arkandeus said:

don't feel bad about something completely natural

don't make up negative beliefs and ideas about it either

I second this. I don't understand why some people on this forum think sex/masterbating/porn is bad and should be stopped. It's perfectly normal, and suppressing it will probably be an annoying hassle that doesnt need to be there.

[lmfao]

@Ingit masturba**** doesn't dr*** ************ 

[pluto]

3 hours ago, TeamBills said:

I second this. I don't understand why some people on this forum think sex/masterbating/porn is bad and should be stopped. It's perfectly normal, and suppressing it will probably be an annoying hassle that doesnt need to be there.

Masturbation is natural yes, nature is exploring/expressing self. Porn on the other hand is created by those who were disconnected from nature and or not living in harmoniously wit the nature flow this becomes chaotic for the mind/chemical-wiring within the physical construct. Don't confuse the two.

Porn has been scientifically proven to negatively effect the brain/chemical-wiring of the body overtime as bad as hard drugs with excessive use.

[Shodan]

6 hours ago, TeamBills said:

I second this. I don't understand why some people on this forum think sex/masterbating/porn is bad and should be stopped. It's perfectly normal, and suppressing it will probably be an annoying hassle that doesnt need to be there.

I agree with @pluto about porn, just google yourbrainononporn its scientificaly proven to harm its users.

I believe that moderation is the key when it comes to fapping if you don't feel bad afterwards but avoid porn by all costs. It's a toxic entertainment and my story proves it

[XYZ]

Natural does not necessarily mean good, and on places like this forum I would hope men want to live extraordinary lives rather than just doing what comes naturally (pun intended). I could post all kinds of books and articles on the profound effects of seminal continence, which is written about through innumerable spiritual traditions, but I stopped trying to share information on it since all that matters most is your own experience.

That's why I challenge you to go for a month without ejaculating and see how your life changes! You might be inclined to say that is an extreme reaction to a problem that is only in your mind, but is it really? Even if you didn't fap 5+ times a day like I used to at my worst, you like most male internet users are probably addicted to orgasm and ejaculation. Though you would never know it because you never went without masturbation or sex for a prolonged period, thinking it's not important and just a harmless everyday activity, or even a necessity. You don't need to ejaculate, or believe the reverse-correlation pseudoscience saying it's unhealthy not to.

So yes, ejaculation drains your consciousness, but if it is something you do on a regular basis, you have habituated to your lower consciousness state so much that feels completely normal. It will take about a month of abstinence to reach a higher consciousness state, where you feel like a brain fog you were unknowingly surrounded by dissipates right before you. Be forewarned though, your experience of life becomes much more intense, and this includes facing all kinds of negative emotions you distracted yourself from by masturbating, they will come to the surface, forcing you to confront yourself and deal with them.

[Shodan]

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Ejaculation Frequency and Subsequent Risk of Prostate Cancer (2004, Michael F. Leitzmann, MD; Elizabeth A. Platz, ScD; Meir J. Stampfer, MD; et al)

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Age-standardized lifetime ejaculation frequency was evaluated in relation to various risk factors for prostate cancer to assess the potential for confounding.

Men with greater lifetime ejaculation frequency tended to be physically more active and were more likely to have a history of syphilis or gonorrhea, prostatitis, and vasectomy than men with lower ejaculation frequency. In addition, men with greater ejaculation frequency were more likely to be currently divorced or separated and consumed more total energy, lycopene, fish, alcohol, supplemental vitamin E, and supplemental zinc. Men in the highest category of average lifetime ejaculation frequency were less likely to have a family history of prostate cancer and a history of surgery for enlarged prostate than men in the lower categories of ejaculation frequency. Men in the highest and lowest categories had a lower prevalence of prostate-specific antigen (PSA) screening relative to men in the intermediate categories of ejaculation frequency.

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In contrast to the results for total and organ-confined prostate cancer, the intermediate categories of ejaculation frequency at ages 40 to 49 years were associated with a lower risk of advanced prostate cancer. High ejaculation frequencies during the previous year and across a lifetime were associated with a suggestive increase in risk of advanced prostate cancer. [...]

The consistency among ejaculation frequencies at ages 20 to 29 years, 40 to 49 years, and during the previous year was examined. Compared with men who were consistently in the lowest 4 categories of ejaculation frequency, men who were consistently in the highest category of frequency of ejaculations showed a markedly reduced risk of total prostate cancer and organ-confined prostate cancer. There was not a sufficient number of cases to examine patterns of ejaculation frequency over time in relation to advanced prostate cancer risk.

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Comment

In this prospective cohort study among predominantly white men, higher ejaculation frequency was not related to increased risk of prostate cancer. Our results suggest that high ejaculation frequency possibly may be associated with a lower risk of total and organ-confined prostate cancer. These associations were not explained by potential risk factors for prostate cancer, such as age, family history of prostate cancer, history of syphilis or gonorrhea, smoking, and diet. Although we cannot exclude a possibly greater risk of advanced prostate cancer with higher recent ejaculation frequency, we did not observe a higher risk of advanced prostate cancer for high ejaculation frequency earlier in life.

Although each of several analytic approaches indicated that high ejaculation frequency was related to decreased risk of total and organ-confined prostate cancer, there are several plausible alternative explanations for our results. We were concerned about the possibility that the observed inverse relationships were due to avoidance of ejaculation among men with early symptoms related to prostate cancer. However, diminished ejaculation frequency as a preclinical consequence of prostate cancer would be expected to be more pronounced among men with advanced prostate cancer than among men with organ-confined prostate cancer, a circumstance that was not supported by our data. In addition, our findings were essentially unaltered when we excluded cases diagnosed in the early years of follow-up. Hence, our results suggest that reverse causation may have accounted for very little, if any of the observed inverse association between high ejaculation frequency and total and organ-confined prostate cancer risk.

A further potential explanation for our results is that men with high ejaculation frequency may wish to preserve their sexual function and, thus, undergo less screening tests for prostate cancer, leading to less diagnosis of organ-confined prostate cancer among these men. The fact that men in the highest category of ejaculation frequency underwent slightly fewer PSA screening tests and less prostate biopsies than most men with lower ejaculation frequencies suggests the possibility of modest detection bias. In contrast to this possible explanation, the inverse relationship with total and organ-confined prostate cancer persisted when the analysis was restricted to men with the opportunity to have prostate cancer detected by PSA. Thus, decreased prostate cancer detection among men with greater ejaculation frequency is unlikely to entirely account for our results.

Because factors such as diet, smoking, physical activity, and the quality of personal relationships are strong determinants of sexual function,15-18 a further potential concern was the possibility that the apparent beneficial effect of greater ejaculation frequency on risk for total and organ-confined prostate cancer was due to the existence of a healthy lifestyle related both to ejaculation frequency and to prostate cancer. We observed similar results before and after controlling for a broad range of lifestyle and dietary factors potentially related to prostate cancer risk. In addition, the fact that the age-adjusted and multivariate-adjusted RRs were almost identical makes it unlikely that an unconsidered factor that correlates with these lifestyle and dietary factors could produce such strong confounding. Thus, our results are probably not due to confounding by purported lifestyle or dietary risk factors for prostate cancer.

Our results are not likely to be explained by differential measurement error in our assessment of ejaculation frequency between cases and noncases. Notwithstanding, self-reported ejaculation frequency may have contained some inaccuracy because of its sensitive nature and the need for individuals to recall ejaculation frequency in the distant past. It is possible that the oldest men in our cohort (men aged 81 years in 1992) may not have accurately recalled their average monthly ejaculation frequency from ages 20 to 29 years. Moreover, recall of past levels of ejaculation frequency may have been more accurate among men who had the highest ejaculation frequencies than among those with lower ejaculation frequencies. Reported ejaculation frequency rates among men in our study are largely consistent with survey data on sexual activity among US adults. [...]

We noted a suggestive decrease in risk of total and organ-confined prostate cancer among men in the lowest category of ejaculation frequency across a lifetime. Whether that finding was due to lower androgenicity among these men remains unknown. The apparent decrease in risk of total and organ-confined prostate cancer among men with a low ejaculation frequency was not due to low prevalence of sexually transmitted infections among these men because adjustment for history of syphilis or gonorrhea did not alter the results.

We only evaluated ejaculation frequency during adulthood, but not during adolescence. The peripubertal period may be of etiologic significance with respect to prostate carcinogenesis because prostate epithelial cell differentiation occurs at this critical period. If ejaculation frequency during puberty was most important for prostate carcinogenesis, measuring adult ejaculation frequency would fail to capture the relevant period of exposure. However, our findings suggest that ejaculation frequency during mid and late adulthood rather than in early adulthood are etiologically relevant periods for influencing prostate tumors. Because the inverse relation was observed for organ-confined cases but not advanced cases, sexual activity may be hypothesized only to affect slow-growing, early stage prostate cancers. Our results are generalizable to white US men aged 46 years or older.

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Several features distinguish our analysis from previous reports on sexual activity and prostate cancer. First, the prospective study design precluded bias attributable to differential recall of sexual activity by men with and without prostate cancer. Second, we focused on ejaculation frequency rather than on frequency of sexual intercourse, which enhanced exposure variability and allowed us to explore the physiological effects of sexual function per se. Third, our analysis included nearly 50% more cases than the number of cases included in any of the previous studies reporting on sexual activity and prostate cancer. Fourth, our study had data on PSA tests, which allowed us to address the possibility of detection bias. Finally, because we controlled for a wide range of medical, lifestyle, and dietary factors, potential confounding by these factors was likely minimized.

Our finding of no association or a possibly inverse association between high ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer is difficult to reconcile with the commonly proposed concept that androgenic stimulation is related both to enhanced libido and to increased risk of prostate cancer. In some studies, circulating testosterone levels are positively associated with prostate cancer risk. Limited evidence shows that circulating levels of testosterone or its major metabolite dihydrotestosterone correlate positively with sexual desire, erectile function, and frequency of orgasms.

However, sexual activity is a complex physiological function, which may relate to prostate cancer risk through several nonandrogenic pathways. For example, frequency of ejaculations may modulate prostate carcinogenesis by altering the composition of prostatic fluid. Frequent ejaculations may decrease the intraprostatic concentration of xenobiotic compounds and chemical carcinogens, which readily accumulate in prostatic fluid. Frequent ejaculations may also reduce the development of intraluminal prostatic crystalloids, which have been associated with prostate cancer in some, but not all pathology studies. Because seminal plasma locally reduces host responsiveness (possibly by factors produced by the prostate gland), retained prostatic fluid may diminish intraprostatic immune surveillance against tumor cells.

A more speculative possibility linking increased ejaculation frequency with decreased prostate cancer risk is that ejaculation is accompanied by a release of psychological tension during the emission phase, which may lower central sympathetic nervous activity when repeated frequently. Prostate epithelial cell division is stimulated by the release of growth factors from adjacent stromal cells that are heavily innervated with α1 adrenergic receptors.

In summary, our results among predominantly white men suggest that ejaculation frequency is not related to increased risk of prostate cancer. High ejaculation frequency may possibly be associated with a lower risk of total and organ-confined prostate cancer. It is unlikely that reverse causation, differences in prostate cancer screening behavior, or confounding are entirely responsible for the observed results. Mechanisms other than the link between androgenicity and ejaculation frequency should be evaluated as potential etiological factors underlying the inverse association between ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer.

This study proves that physiologically, there's nothing wrong with semen retention, so prostate cancer argument is invalid. Interesting thing is that according to this text, men who released semen more frequently had an urge to eat food high in nutrients and energy, which somewhat confirms the spiritual aspects of abstinence and it's health benefits.

[TeamBills]

@pluto @Shodan @XYZ

"Natural does not necessarily mean good, and on places like this forum I would hope men want to live extraordinary lives rather than just doing what comes naturally (pun intended)."

This actually helps me explain the point I wanted to make. I don't want to play the world's smallest violin but I have a million things that stress me out. This topic is such a microscopic problem compared to my others problems. If someone was to make a list on how to live an extraordinary life this topic would be so far down the list it's not even funny.

We will have to agree with disagree because I feel that this conversation is going to go into circles.  

"you like most male internet users are probably addicted to orgasm and ejaculation."

I probably masturbate once every day or 2. I'm 23 and still a virgin. 

"Though you would never know it because you never went without masturbation or sex for a prolonged period"

You're making an assumption that isn't true. Do you know what they say about assumptions? I tried it. It was annoying. I don't see a benefit. Again, we will have to agree to disagree.