Where is the world heading? :(

[MarkusSweden]

So sad, this morning I couldn't help but start crying when I heard about how hundreds and hundreds of catholic priest were sexually abusing children !!!!!

Religions are not absolutely true, but priests in catholic christianity suppose to have some spiritual intuition, some moral high ground, yet they don't hesitate to do these horrible horrible crimes!  

Leo once told us that even Buddhist monks commit horrifying crimes against young adepts of buddhism these days, some of those monks even rape children that enter buddhism to gain truth only to meet these terrible crimes against them. 

How can the spiritual elite of the world do such evil deeds to their fellow human beings? If the spiritual elite can do it, then there is really no hope for humanity. 

How can you have any hopes for humanity when even those people that suppose to stand on the highest of moral grounds can commit crimes like raping children. If they can do it, then pretty much everyone in every path of life can do it. 

Guys, what is happening to the world? 

To say it scares me is an understatement, I feel lite vomiting from all the bad emotions I receive from the world's transforming into decadence!  

 

[luckieluuke]

It´s so strange how the message of enlightened people gets diluted, misinterpreted and even purposfully twisted.
Maybe Jesus said that heaven cannot be found in the quick desires of our bodies; sex, drugs etc. Maybe people thought then that sex must be bad, even lead to hell. Maybe monks lived without sex. The sexual drive in animals (people) is huge and if you deny it´s existence you´re bound to get screwed up eventually and do seemingly inhumane things.
Just a line of thought.

As to where the world is heading...well at least murder and rape is not common practice anymore so I´d say slowly in the right direction. But sometimes it surely doesn´t feel like it.

[CreamCat]

I wonder who defines rape.

Milo yiannopoulos said he enjoyed having sex with a priest when he was 13 years old. He upset many people.

Is having sex with a 13-year old a rape by default even if all participants enjoyed the sex?

How many were actually violently raped with brute force? How many were blackmailed into sex? How many had sex against their will? What is the degree of psychological and physical damage for each person? How many enjoyed sex?

Perhaps, it's time to come up with a more detailed nomenclature for sexual behaviors.

Edited August 16, 2018 by CreamCat

[Salvijus]

People assume priests are good people when actually only an idiot would choose to be one

Edited August 16, 2018 by Salvijus

[Rilles]

Why don’t you make a Life Purpose out of helping the suffering then? 

[luckieluuke]

@CreamCat it is defined. You are not allowed to have sex with minors. Minors are not grown up and cannot make their own choice the way grown ups do. You questioning this is very concerning.

[Hansu]

How many catholic priests really follow their spiritual path due to spirituality and not for the fear of a big bearded man striking them to hell?

[Arkandeus]

the world is here, darkness comes to light

[Leo Gura]

Sexual repression always creates a shadow.

This is the problem with moralization. It can never substitute for personal dev work or spiritual work.

A classic stage Blue problem.

[Florian]

@Leo Gura So do you think NoFap is a bad idea?

[RendHeaven]

No porn is a good idea. No fap is meh.

[Leo Gura]

15 hours ago, Florian said:

@Leo Gura So do you think NoFap is a bad idea?

I have never been a fan of the whole no-fap movement.

Fap serves a useful function when used properly. Running around like a horny dog is problematic.

If you do no-fap, it has to be done in a non-repressive way and for some good reasons, like maybe if you're getting into serious pickup or yoga.

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Feel Good said:

@Leo Gura I thought masturbation WAS repression?

It certainly seems like it to me.

What??

Lol

You guys have become too brainwashed by the no-fap people.

Proper masturbation is an artform!

All sex is masturbation, BTW. No matter what, you're always having sex with none other than yourself.

Life is just God's masturbatorium.

[Rilles]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

All sex is masturbation, BTW. No matter what, you're always having sex with yourself.

Hahaha LOL what a mindfuck

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Feel Good said:

It's not that healthy.

It's as healthy as you make it.

Health is never in the thing, but in how you use it.

Sex can be unhealthy too. Anything in the hands of a fool can become unhealthy.

Practice masturbating consciously, like a sage

[XYZ]

World is utterly fucked as far as the future of humanity is concerned. I'm not intending to say this through a lens of gloom and doom pessimism, and my tone is emotionaly neutral, analytical. But just realizing the extent of the damage people have caused to our environment, as well as the snowballing effects of everything like climate change, contamination and biosphere loss. I was hardly even aware of the situation until I took a colelge course on environmental biology, and by now it seems every week I learn of a new kind of ecological disaster we're only seeing barely the tip of so far. Trying to "save the earth is futile" and trying to effect consumer choices is basically just feel-goodismand naïve virtue signaling, it won't change anything. But even things that do help ease the destruction like regulating industry, increasing fuel efficiency, and banning throwaway plastics will not be enough to slow down the cascade of suffering humanity inflicted upon itself. I've seen some very promising technology that can do things like reduce waste and sequester greenhouse gases, but it would never be viable on a scale large enough to reverse where we're headed, only enough to get businesses tax breaks for "going greener."

Notice I didn't even mention human behavior, because with all the temperature extremes, increasingly deadly natural disasters, loss or arable land, lack of drinkable water, collapse of entire biomes, you can expect wars over the remaining resources, millions and millions of refugees like never seen before, and the inevitable deaths of large swathes of humanity who can't escape in time, or have nowhere to run to. And this will all just be a natural correction, what happens when any population of a species overshoots the carrying capacity of it's environment. In light of all this, my intention would be to never have children and strongly discourage others from procreating also, because while many of us not so young people may get to live out our lives spared fromt he worst of what's to come, those born today and hereafter are most liekly on a course for immense physical suffering and horrible deaths. Seriosuly, climate change really eclipses the whole natalism-antinatalism debate, from this context reproducing is a selfish and reckless endeavour.

23 hours ago, Rilles said:

Why don’t you make a Life Purpose out of helping the suffering then? 

Well think about it this way. Consider the postuation that if we took all the wealth in the world and divided it equally amongst all human beings alive at any given moment, then everyone's standard of living would drop through the floor, except if they were already that poor or worse to begin with.  And the rhethorical question: Why should it be your problem if other people, or governments make poor choices, like carelessly having kids they can't afford to feed, or make living conditions in their country so oppressive that they give up everything and risk gruesome death to illegally immigrate to the civilised world? One black pill I had to swallow as I moved from stage Green to Yellow in the spiral dynamics is that it is imposible to care about everyone, because there are just so many people on this planet, several billion, it's inconceivable, you couldn't ever even draw that many dots on a never-ending roll of paper. Stage green in its extremes take on a pathologal altruism, obsessed with wanting to help people or alleviate suffering, often blind to they ways in which this backfires upon themselves- most glaring example being places like Sweden obviously, having basically destroyed itself by letting an endless flood of migrants come in and take over the country. 

So what I'm trying to illustrate here is the realization that there is, and always will be unimaginable and utterly devastating human suffering. And it feels like desensitizing yourself to the suffering of others is of practical necessity for maintaining your own inner zen while the world crumbles around you. Why help any specific person, what makes any individual(s) more important, or worth saving/protecting than theother 7 billion?  I'm forced to think of this every time I see a homeless person begging for money, how they're 99.9% likely not from my locale, don't care about me or any other passers by, but expect them to care just because they came here and put on a display of poverty porn for us to witness. They are a nuisance, threat to safety and sanitation, and it often occurs to me the most efficient way to purge the plague of domestic homeless migrants infesting urban centers would be to round them up and throw them in gas chanbers. I recognize though that this is part of the unrealistic stage Yellow thinking Leo warned about in the corresponding video, and I'm careful not to mention such opinions publicly. So I how I deal with the issue of human suffering is to ignore it, avoid and tune out people who pester and disgust me, and make it my goal to avoid the encroachment of ever-growing masses of starving poor people. 

I used to feel that maybe helping others master their inner worlds, learn to control their emotional states to overcome internal blocks was my calling. But that has been a fruitless and futile endeavor, since the process by which I internalized these things was though highly subjective experiences which can't be welle xplained using words. I can't teach people to become zen, because the journey is the destination. But maybe I'm just a zen devil really, and transitioning from Yellow to Turquoise manifest as an attitude shift from self-exceptionalism to self-transcendence. Regardless I don't take myself too seriously, constantly mindful of my humility, I may feel extremely powerful within my own mind and body, but who am I to think I am in any position to help others overcome their sufferings even if I really wanted to. I had often tried talking to depressed people about developing a sense of unconditional self-love, but they tend to escew my advice in favor of wallowing and commiserating in their sadness. And if I'm being honest about it, my method of emotional mastery is realy just hijacking the emotional feedback loop normally used for empathy, and using it to feel whatever you want to, shaping your reality fromt he indide out. It's both incredibly empowering and incredibly antisocial. And less introverted people could use these methods to become full blown narcissistic sociopaths.

[CreamCat]

36 minutes ago, XYZ said:

They are a nuisance, threat to safety and sanitation, and it often occurs to me the most efficient way to purge the plague of domestic homeless migrants infesting urban centers would be to round them up and throw them in gas chanbers.

Are you really Yellow? A Yellow person would normally not attach such labels to homeless migrants. A Yellow person would be aloof about the homeless. This sounds like a Blue anger.

Edited August 17, 2018 by CreamCat

[XYZ]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I have never been a fan of the whole no-fap movement.

Fap serves a useful function when used properly. Running around like a horny dog is problematic.

If you do no-fap, it has to be done in a non-repressive way.

No-fap is incredibly useful for people who actually have a severe addiction to wanking, since like any other hard addition, moderation isn't possible, and quitting it altogether is the only alternative to fapping like several times a day. I know this from experience, ever since I first did that at age 14, my life was either a nonstop wankfest or a period of total abstinence. 

And on the positive side, the chenges you go through from semen rentention are too nuanced ot even begin to describe, and as I've learnt by now, it's pointless trying to convince other people to try no-fap, or that it's a valid endeavour, since any guy (assuming they're healhty with normal T levels, not on SSRIs) who'se experienced a month without ejaculation knows full well how their life changes profoundly. But there is plenty of information across many acient systems of spiritualiuty which echo the same sentiments, which concurr with my own experiences of semen retention.

But I completely understand your precautions about sexual repression. Nowadays I do breath and sound meditation which helps transmute the energy, but back in the day semen retention would turn me into a ferociously horny animal, acting aggressive picking fights with people, crudely hitting on women, even discarding my antinantalist beliefs and feeling overwhemling urges to impregnate someone and actually feeling excitied about having babies. If priests force themselves to be celibate but don't transmute that sexual energy away from primal levels, it just gets repressed, and then inevitably rears it's ugly head in some disturbed perversion.

I actually don't endorse no porn though. Seems so pointless for me personally since I could walk out my door tomorrow and see things outside one might find in a softcore photoshoot. That's one reason I justify causally browsing adult content even while not fapping. Though porn and masturbation addictions are obviously highly correlated, I always felt that it was the constantly ejaculating multiple times a day that was detrimental to my life, and from my experiences with semen retention while watching porn and/or edging, found that not ejacualting is the key factor that gives me those no-fap superpowers. Having a wet dream, though rare at my age, feels different though, like it's the body gently cleaning itself out, I don't feel that same sense of depleted energy as when I masturbate to completion.

[Rilles]

28 minutes ago, CreamCat said:

Are you really Yellow? A Yellow person would normally not attach such labels to homeless migrants. A Yellow person would be aloof about the homeless. This sounds like a Blue anger.

This is not yellow at all, sounds more like Red / Blue. Remember that Yellow has passed through the empathy stages of Green so gassing any living being would be preposterous. Yellow would not feel threatened by any other stage on the spiral since it’s tier 2 and accepts that beings are at different levels.

[XYZ]

1 minute ago, CreamCat said:

Are you really Yellow? A Yellow person would normally not attach such labels to homeless migrants. A Yellow person would be aloof about the homeless. You sound like a Blue person.

I'm not talking about it as a social issue, but as personal experience. Imagine being constantly accosted by beggars, threatened randomly by homless people, encountering their urine and feces all over the place, and most of the voilent crime in your city being homeless related. The cancer is spreading into the nice parts of town too, where you see more of them sleeping on the sidewalk and breaking into houses. Not to mention the rancid smell of those people, makes public transit, libraries and many other places unusable, I'd even go as far to describe it as olfactory assault.

Can't find pictures of these signs online, but I once went to a park where there were signs warning not to feed the squirrels, because then they will overpopulate, spread disease and destroy the landscape. This is exactly what is happening when homeless pour into a city, tourists and yuppies give them money, churches hold public feedings, and the city applies for grant money for homeless services instead of speical security forces to kick them out. This pathological altruism results in more and more homeless pouring into the city all the time, until it looks like a third world hobo village. People who've never been to places like LA and SF really can't imagine what utterly disgusting shitholes certain parts have turned into because of homeless migration.

The most efficient solution woud be to enact the toughest public nuisance laws possible to allow regular patrols to sweep up the street homeless into containment camps, then determine who gets rehabilitated, deported, incarcerated, institutionalized or euthanized. Because most of these people really can't take care of themselves, never could even if everything was handed to them, otherwise they would actually use the services available instead of just sleeping in a doorway, shitting in their pants and begging for money.

But even if this could happen, who would even pay for it? Certainly the city under seige by the homeless plague wouldn't want to bear the cost of it. The country, the state, the federal government? Realistically this would never happen, and what I do now is go very out of my way to avoid them. Can't move any time soon, and I've learned to avoid the areas most infested by the plague. There are still lots of beautiful things, I don't dwell on all these negative thoughts expressed here, but can't help but to feel angry and disgusted when I encounter parts of an otherwise nice city completely ruined by homeless invasion. But referring back to my longer post on the climate refugee problem, when things in North America get as bad as Malmö, Sweden, the best I can hope for is to live in a utopian walled society like Bregna in AeonFlux, where the atmosphere and people are all clean and safe and aesthetically pleasing.

11 minutes ago, Rilles said:

This is not yellow at all, sounds more like Red / Blue. Remember that Yellow has passed through the empathy stages of Green so gassing any living being would be preposterous. Yellow would not feel threatened by any other stage on the spiral since it’s tier 2 and accepts that beings are at different levels.

Don't get me wrong, I can totally empathize with those people as individuals and see things from their perspective. That doesn't change the fact that each one of them is part of a major problem, and thus I don't care about them as people, there are just parasites, blights on the environment that I would like to see eliminated. I guess this is what I'd call the post-empathy aspects of yellow. I'm no expert on spiral dynamics but I did watch the video series on this site, and identified with everything in yellow, and even many parts of turquoise. One glaring excpetion though is retaining a pervasive self-centerdness regardless of my development in all other areas. It feels like I grew out of stage Green empathy and taken on an attitude of hyper-individualism which allows me substantial control over my thoughts and emotions compared to seeing myself and others as part of a human collective. Though I do realize stage Turquoise would be a much more wholistic perspective on things, and the pendulum swings back the other way. For many reasons it seems doubtful I would ever get to full Turquoise, and I readily acknoledge that the self-centeredness my even be some retained Red.