What If Enlightenment Is Just Another Illusion?

[Augustus]

Hello,

 

I watched the videos about enlightenment in actualizes.org, although hat the concept itself is not new for me I didn’t understand it very well until I watched the videos, there is also another video about free will and how free will is an illusion.

And I was thinking what if the experience of enlightenment (being one with everything) is just another illusion,  I mean if the ego itself and free will are not exist as we preserve it then how can we make sure that enlightenment is true experience.

I read in book called ‘religion and science’ by philosopher and mathematician Bertrand Russell that yogis and zen masters deprive themselves from food for long periods of time so there is no wonder why they feel that they are one with the universe.

So , what if meditation cause some changes in the brain cells so the practitioner start to feel after a while that he is one with the truth it self

I hope I made my point clear, and thanks for reading

[WelcometoReality]

@Augustus Can we now when we wake up from a dream that we are actually awake? It might be a dream within a dream within a dream.. ☺

[nbolt]

Enlightenment work is what gives me the most practical results in my life, so it's what I use. Just as Leo emphasizes in his videos, everything is approached from an extremely practical perspective and designed to get you very tangible results. If another framework comes along that works better, if there is something beyond post-rationalism (taking from Leo's most recent video) like a post-post-rationalism way of thinking or something, sure at that time I can look into it, but for now I do what works .

[QandC]

Well since we can only experience things from our human body we of course have limits.

[Augustus]

30 minutes ago, Quizzer said:

Well since we can only experience things from our human body we of course have limits.

 

1 hour ago, WelcometoReality said:

@Augustus Can we now when we wake up from a dream that we are actually awake? It might be a dream within a dream within a dream.. ☺

 

Thanks for replying, but I'm not talking about Cartesian skepticism, what i mean to say is what if ego or self is real and enlightenment is an error in the mind caused by meditation.

In the videos Leo talked about how no one can prove that ego doesn’t exist by thinking and reasoning and the only way to prove that is by practicing meditation for hour a day, in this case you can’t prove that you are one with everything in an objective way, all you have is your subjective experience and it’s not reliable because you maybe distort it by meditation and practices like questioning where are you (self-inquiry)

 

[Augustus]

2 hours ago, Neill Bolton said:

Enlightenment work is what gives me the most practical results in my life, so it's what I use. Just as Leo emphasizes in his videos, everything is approached from an extremely practical perspective and designed to get you very tangible results. If another framework comes along that works better, if there is something beyond post-rationalism (taking from Leo's most recent video) like a post-post-rationalism way of thinking or something, sure at that time I can look into it, but for now I do what works .

 

I myself do meditation regularly but we must be open minded to every possibility

[nbolt]

10 minutes ago, Augustus said:

 

I myself do meditation regularly but we must be open minded to every possibility

Sure. Never said not to be.

[Guest]

 

I just posted this on another thread.  You might find it answers some of your questions.

These guys believe that after their deconstruction of the Buddhas original teaching they have found no correlation between what he originally taught and the philosophy the West understands today.  Enlightenment according to these guys is a pre-rational belief system.  

[Guest]

@Pinocchio So now even Buddhism is wrong?  That's just desperation?

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Nomad said:

 

I just posted this on another thread.  You might find it answers some of your questions.

These guys believe that after their deconstruction of the Buddhas original teaching they have found no correlation between what he originally taught and the philosophy the West understands today.  Enlightenment according to these guys is a pre-rational belief system.  

Only watched a bit of the video, but I assume that what they are saying is that the current "interpretation" of Buddhism is wrong, not how the original teachings were intended. Buddhism wasn't intended as a religion, but as a set of teachings for enlightnement. Thus, the current manifestation of "buddhism" (e.g. people worshipping gold statues of the Buddha) is a twisted version of what was intended.

[Guest]

@PinocchioThere is no nirvana, there is no absolute truth, there is no consciousness. Watch the video. You been conned. We've all been conned

Edited March 21, 2016 by Nomad

[Guest]

@Pinocchio  Sorry. I forgot to add the Teal Swan link for you Pinocchio. 

[Thesleeperhasawakened]

@Pinocchio

"Enlightenment is not about experiences, it's about deconstructing reality: What is the one and only absolute truth of existence. There has to be one, and there can be ONLY one."

No one said there has to be one.

Dellusional statements to say the least.

 

[Extreme Z7]

@Augustus Yes! Good question!

I'm not enlightened but my intuition tells me that the concepts of enlightenment that are being spread around are nowhere near describing how it would be like to actually be enlightened.

[Thesleeperhasawakened]

@Extreme Z7

There is no evidence of anyone ever beeing enlightened.

You think the pope is a holy man? He for sure thinks he is and millions of others do. 

Eckhart Tolle and Buddah is as enlightened as he is holy.

[Guest]

@Pinocchio Im sensing that your radical questioning of everything is probably another cliche. 

If you really did have that attitude then watching the video would be a walk in the park for you?

I think you want your beliefs and your belief is to deconstruct everything that has made you suffer in the past. That's easier to do than consider information that toys with your enlightenment ideology. If enlightenment were not true, then what? Suicide?

I don't blame you. If I had done all the work you had and wasted all those years then I would be afraid to consider other options. 

Stick with your path. But it is just your path.

[theinevitableandi]

@Nomad yes Enlightenment is another illusion . It is using one thorn to remove another thorn then throwing both away not keeping anything.. Everything must go...Like @Pinocchio said you are eating the menu instead of the food. Don't confuse the map for the territory don't believe everything you hear , don't believe a single thing have a look!! Once you have your first glimpse you will know its not bullshit!  

 

[Will]

Enlightenment is a relm which we  can master so lets go there and master it.. same with "al"l that we can possibly experience.. It will open doors that open doors that will open doors .... forever.. the study of ones self and ones experience is all there is really..

[Will]

Enlightenment is a relm which we  can master so lets go there and master it.. same with "al"l that we can possibly experience.. It will open doors that open doors that will open doors .... forever.. the study of ones self and ones experience is all there is really..

[Thesleeperhasawakened]

6 minutes ago, Will said:

14 minutes ago, theinevitableandi said:

@Nomad yes Enlightenment is another illusion . It is using one thorn to remove another thorn then throwing both away not keeping anything.. Everything must go...Like @Pinocchio said you are eating the menu instead of the food. Don't confuse the map for the territory don't believe everything you hear , don't believe a single thing have a look!! Once you have your first glimpse you will know its not bullshit! 

 

 

I have had glimpses in the past, one really profound with my cat but im not convinced. Iv also experienced it with ecstasy, just brain chemistry.

The memories has lost theire power though.

 

 

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, theinevitableandi said: