Mystical experiences vs radical recontextualizations

[now is forever]

4 minutes ago, tsuki said:

@now is forever It's still a feeling, isn't it? Hahaha

i don’t want to not feel anything at all... that’s a choice tsuki.

and that’s the last pointer.

Edited August 9, 2018 by now is forever

[tsuki]

Just now, now is forever said:

i don’t want to not feel anything at all... that’s a choice tsuki.

It's not that you will stop feeling. Feeling and thinking will become the same movement.
Wouldn't you like to close that gap? Haven't you just say that lies feel disconnected?
That's a glaring disconnection between lies and truth.
This gap is so vast that I can't resist bugging you with it 

[now is forever]

@tsuki no for me it’s the opposite. i’m loosing more and more during this conversation. because i already arrived there. so all you do is taking it away. until there is no emotion left - as long as you are not able to distinct between the two anymore. because there is a golden thread. of knowledge now - it’s the infinity thread. if you take it away it will be gone forever. you see not just for now. 

it’s not me who has to surrender, men have to surrender to that fact.

Edited August 9, 2018 by now is forever

[tsuki]

10 minutes ago, now is forever said:

@tsuki no for me it’s the opposite. i’m loosing more and more during this conversation. because i already arrived there. so all you do is taking it away. until there is no emotion left - as long as you are not able to distinct between the two anymore. because there is a golden thread. of knowledge now - if you take it away it will be gone forever. you see not just for now. 

@now is forever As you lose more and more knowledge, you gain more and more unity.
There is always knowledge to pull on. What I do now is construct the knowledge about pulling.
I want to pull on that.

Yes, once you pull on something, it's gone.
Once you open Matrioshka, it stays open.
But then, you just have to look for another one.
It's always there if you look carefully.
It is precisely because you dared to open the previous one.

[tsuki]

19 hours ago, tsuki said:

@Zweistein When you inspect growth, then you can divide it into chunks and call them whatever you please, like Fake and Real.
Fake and real growth are elements that resonate with each other.
All real growth becomes fake once you understand what you're doing.
It is only real because you identify with the part that you work on.
Realization of fakeness comes by noticing what does not change despite your efforts to change your whole identity.
Then, this real (but fake) area is dis-identified with and the lack of fixation is what opens possibility of noticing other areas.
Those areas, which are identified as constant (by neglect), are the new basis for identity.

@now is forever This is what I meant here.

[tsuki]

31 minutes ago, now is forever said:

it’s not me who has to surrender, men have to surrender to that fact.

@now is forever Here comes the me part again 
And the difference between men and women is?
Brains? Genitalia? Your personal beliefs? Willingness to zoom?
Isn't the last one making me the manliest man of all men?
And you, the womanliest woman of all women?

With that frame of mind no wonder that we're cuddling all the time.

Edited August 9, 2018 by tsuki

[now is forever]

@tsuki i don’t feel strong enough for that, maybe yet. and somehow i like naive art. and i like staying a child. not knowing is beautiful, i’m just reciting.

i don’t want the world tsuki. i want the world by not wanting it all. that’s a way of centering, that’s surrender too. 

[tsuki]

@now is forever Yeah, I get it. Pushing too hard only breeds resistance.
Resistance is a form of strength, but turned upside down .

I'm not pushing as a serious adult. It's a childlike exploration of turning stones, one by one, looking for treasure.
Don't make me into a strong adult in your head.
I don't want the world (yet). I just want all stones, that's all.

[now is forever]

@tsuki you are playing check. but don’t forget the king can’t move. do you think it will make the world better by removing all queens from the field? i wonder how many you want to throw until you are sattisfied. it’s a warning.

Edited August 9, 2018 by now is forever

[tsuki]

10 minutes ago, now is forever said:

@tsuki you are playing check. but don’t forget the king can’t move. do you think it will make the world better by removing all queens from the field? i wonder how many yo want to throw until you are sattisfied. it’s a warning.

@now is forever lol

Kings and queens only make sense if you are playing the game of chess. 
I don't play the game of 'making the world better'.
I play the game of games and I want to learn its rules.

The game of games is not a game of two players. Kings vs queens.
I am not trying to mess with your game. I want to mess with mine and you simply give me the right problems.
If you feel tired by our conversation then we can take a break.
I'm holding nothing against you, you know? It's not wrong to have beliefs.
I have them too, but I don't know what I believe anymore.
They are just like quantum foam. They form in pairs and annihilate at once.

Edited August 9, 2018 by tsuki

[now is forever]

@tsuki realize how greedy you are. you are still playing chess.

you are still playing the game of logic.

as long as you are a stone hunter, kali will eat you up.

Edited August 9, 2018 by now is forever

[tsuki]

5 minutes ago, now is forever said:

you are still playing the game of logic.

@now is forever Logic is just another feeling.
Sigh... now I'm tired of this conversation.
Maybe you are right and I'm greedy, although I see nothing wrong with it.

@Zweistein, would you please let some air in?

Edited August 9, 2018 by tsuki

[now is forever]

@tsuki no logic is not a feeling. it can be but you have to place the heart over the head.

[Zweistein]

Ok, ok 
Could it be that we get lost in illusion, if we keep this conversation going without taking action?
Could it be that the words that one writes actually are best applied to "oneself"? 
Could it be better to ask questions instead of giving answers?

Edited August 9, 2018 by Zweistein

[tsuki]

@now is forever Why do you want to keep doing this?
Yes, you're right. I'm still using logic. I'm still placing head over my heart.
Yes, I'm an unenlightened peasant that talks about things he has no experience of.

[now is forever]

@tsuki no i didn’t want to corner you... you cornerd me yourself. i surrender to questions every time. why do you think children are the best teachers? 

thank you @Zweistein i use to forget asking questions.

[tsuki]

Gosh, this thread is a nuclear reactor. Wheew!

Thank you @Zweistein for taking care of us.
Why don't you answer some questions for a change?

Edited August 9, 2018 by tsuki

[Zweistein]

Sure, if you can think of some that are worthwhile answering? Lol

[tsuki]

@Zweistein Why is asking questions more compelling to you than answering them?
What is it about impartiality that it is so important?
Did my 'personal' answers give you anything of value?

[tsuki]

Oh, here's another one:

Why are you, the quiet lurker, keep lurking in this thread instead of joining?