The Cult of Sadhguru and Isha Foundation

[Key Elements]

50 minutes ago, Prabhaker said:

Jesus said “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple."

Why? 

Enlightenment and the spiritual path are about love and detachment, not about hating others for no reason. I guess it's how you interpret this quote. Jesus must be describing some very dysfunctional families during his time. That's why they need to be more detached from each other. We don't live in the same time as Jesus.

[Key Elements]

@Prabhaker I like his speech here. He's very direct, straightforward, and to the point. It makes sense to me.

[Preetom]

30 minutes ago, Key Elements said:

Why? 

Enlightenment and the spiritual path are about love and detachment, not about hating others for no reason. I guess it's how you interpret this quote. Jesus must be describing some very dysfunctional families during his time. That's why they need to be more detached from each other. We don't live in the same time as Jesus.

 

For most people, the true search for Enlightenment does not begin without a serious crisis and rabid dissatisfaction. The story of Gautama Buddha portrays this perfectly. All Jed Mckenna books are pretty much about it. 

Spirituality only becomes a serious, personal, hardcore business when there is no other way out. Before that, it's all fun and games. I think Jesus tried to imply this by that quote.

Love and all that goodies may come after the journey is over and the seeker is exhausted. 

[d0ornokey]

i believe shan to an extent now 

Watch this

Read the comments. Those comments seem pretty cult like to me. Idk. I'm open-minded to both sides

[Shanmugam]

10 hours ago, d0ornokey said:

i believe shan to an extent now 

Watch this

Read the comments. Those comments seem pretty cult like to me. Idk. I'm open-minded to both sides

She is saying Yoga itself is bad and a work of Satan.  This is not really a criticism of Isha or Sadhguru, but her misunderstanding of what Yoga is. She has got conditioned too much by Christian theology and religion. The same thing happened in this forum as well. There was a person here who was claiming he was very close to spiritual enlightenment. But from his posts, I could do see he was assuming a lot of things about his progress and was trying to convince himself that he was progressing faster. Then suddenly one day he posted that all these non-duality stuff is a work of Satan and only now he realized it. I haven't seen his posts after that.

But anyway, as you said, if you look at the comments of the video and the way people respond to it, you will see that everyone uses a default template, like saying things like 'you are getting paid by someone', 'you are an idiot' and a lot of ad hominem attacks etc.. This is what I am talking about as cultish behaviour. If such responses are given for a video where a lady seems to have misunderstood what yoga is, (since she is seeing these things through a Christian glass), it will only create a bad impression about yoga in general. 

Edited August 11, 2018 by Shanmugam

[Shanmugam]

On 8/9/2018 at 2:24 PM, Prabhaker said:

Words of wisdom from Sadhguru

 

My comments on this interview: http://qr.ae/TUIje3

[Bodhitree]

This thread very much reminds me of what I first thought when I heard Sadhguru speak on a YouTube video, that he was not the real deal as a guru. I have some experience with guru’s, I spent a lot of time in Osho’s presence back in the day, and there is a kind of quality to how they look and speak which bypasses your brains logic filters and tells you deep inside that here is something genuine — if you are really ready to relate to a guru and open to that. 

It is true, there are always people who have different opinions, in the media as well as on the net. Sometimes they write from prejudice, or they end up toeing the line that some editor back in Europe or the USA has set out for them. But people who can connect and then find that someone is not ready to be a guru but has just taken on the image should speak a word of warning to those who seem interested and might get taken in. 

[Dodo]

I've seen "visions" in the form of videos from another dimension and things I saw during my deep flow state which showed me that Sadhguru is a so called false prophet and might be untruthful. 

Idk, Leo seems to like him.  

[caspex]

Well I was falling into this trap too. Until I found your video some months back by accident. I was resisting it and feeling bad. Proof enough I was attached. So I watched it all just to get detached. Well at this point I dont really care. Sadhguru did, and still does make a lot of sense when I used to watch him. I am still subscribed incase something interesting is uploaded. But I am not a 'follower' anymore. I feel like Sadhguru dumbs down himself when in public, since his presence is very wide. And if he says something too radical, he wont be able to wake up many people atleast to a fair amount of level to get further into spirituality themselves. I dont think he can do much. I would say he must be a lot deeper when in private groups and talks. But, my approach is just take what works. I am not getting stuck on any one. By nature if you are famous in today's day and age, you can't talk deeper after a point in public. Even when what he has said now he is in a lot of controversy. I learnt a lot when I needed from his online persona, now I have grown out of it. Simple. I still use some of his teachings in my contemplation. 

Just be sure that if you feel resistant or cant watch the criticism of a spiritual guru or teacher you follow and watch, you probably too attached. I got attached to Leo too. So much so, I was 'afraid' to read the rational wiki on him or to watch the criticism videos made on him. Now I dont watch them cuz there's no need but before I resisted it. Just be aware that devotion doesn't mean attachment. Devotion means surrendering everything. And it is easier to surrender to a Guru you know or a deity like Shiva that you trust. But in that surrendering you also have to surrender all your attachments and all that you care about. If you care about your guru or deity, gotta surrender that too. 

[RedLine]

5 hours ago, Dodo said:

I've seen "visions" in the form of videos from another dimension and things I saw during my deep flow state which showed me that Sadhguru is a so called false prophet and might be untruthful. 

Idk, Leo seems to like him.  

He doesn't claim to be a prophet to begin with.

 

For me he is a classic Indian guru, with a high level of consciousness but at the same time full of vanity and frivolity, paradoxically. If guru has a negative connotation in the West it is due to something.

Edited December 23, 2020 by RedLine

[Dodo]

7 hours ago, RedLine said:

He doesn't claim to be a prophet to begin with.

 

For me he is a classic Indian guru, with a high level of consciousness but at the same time full of vanity and frivolity, paradoxically. If guru has a negative connotation in the West it is due to something.

Hm idk if you sitting there trying to look like a godly person telling people what is right and how to live, it seems like a prophet role to me. Just because it says Guru doesn't mean he's not playing prophet 

10 hours ago, neutralempty said:

@Dodo What does it tell you about me?

I was just shown specifically Sadhguru. It's not even important much, maybe it was just a message for me Through the image of Sadhguru, but I saw him very poor of spirit due to lies in another dimension.