Spiral Dynamics Stage Turquoise Examples Mega-Thread

[Loving Radiance]

7 hours ago, Arcangelo said:

 

Jordan Peterson Stage Turquoise?

(I am not joking)

Listen to the full video please.

At 1:16 ''...Buddhist doctrine...there is no difference between you and what you experience..''

Saying a phrase associated with one stage like "Life is a dream" or "There is no difference between you and what you experience" doesn't mean that you have accessed or embodied it. See the person saying these words and recognize their being. Saying something is not being it.

"You are going where you are aiming" is understood by 1st tier stages.

Edited November 14, 2020 by Loving Radiance

[Carl-Richard]

9 hours ago, Loving Radiance said:

Saying a phrase associated with one stage like "Life is a dream" or "There is no difference between you and what you experience" doesn't mean that you have accessed or embodied it. See the person saying these words and recognize their being. Saying something is not being it.

"You are going where you are aiming" is understood by 1st tier stages.

JP has had awakening experiences.

[Loving Radiance]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

 

JP has had awakening experiences.

A nice recontextualization.

 

Edit: Awakening can happen at any stage. It gets recontextualized by the pov which is based on values like described with SD.

Edited November 14, 2020 by Loving Radiance
Clarification

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Loving Radiance said:

A nice recontextualization.

What do you mean by that?

[AtheisticNonduality]

A Stage Purple shaman can have access to Turquoise ideas. Same with Green people. Or Orange/Blue people like Peterson.

[Shin]

If JP was Turquoise, he wouldn't waste his time demonizing green and yellow.

Can't demonize something you integrated.

[Rilles]

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Edited November 14, 2020 by Rilles

[Shin]

6 minutes ago, Rilles said:

 

Yep exactly.

I watched some videos on him, and I almost instantly saw that he was heavily stuck in an ideology he created for himself.

The first video I saw, one of his first sentence was like "and then we could stop with this nonsense" with a very condescending/bitter tone

So Turquoise, not possible, Yellow too, since it's only at that stage you deconstruct ideologies completely.

[Rilles]

10 minutes ago, Shin said:

Yep exactly.

I watched some videos on him, and I almost instantly saw that he was heavily stuck in an ideology he created for himself.

The first video I saw, one of his first sentence was like "and then we could stop with this nonsense" with a very condescending/bitter tone

So Turquoise, not possible, Yellow too, since it's only at that stage you deconstruct ideologies completely.

He needs some work for sure. He could be such a sage if he just let go of the shadow he likes to go on about... Oh the irony. 

[Carl-Richard]

8 hours ago, Loving Radiance said:

Awakening can happen at any stage. It gets recontextualized by the pov which is based on values like described with SD.

Are all the videos here talking about awakening experiences and psychedelic trips actually just irrelevant then? All his Jungian talk, his book Maps of Meaning that integrates the shared values of all the different religious traditions (east and west) with western psychology and neuroscience, does all of that not have a slight tinge of holism in it?

His idea of God isn't merely pre-rational/traditionalist Christianity. He is more a religious pluralist with an affinity for Christianity (he is more like Rupert Sheldrake in that sense). There is a reason why rationalists get so uneasy when he starts talking about God and why they don't know if they should place him in the William Lane Craig theologian box or the Deepak Chopra woo-woo box. He is post-rational in that respect (and obviously lacking in other areas).

[AtheisticNonduality]

8 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Are all the videos here talking about awakening experiences and psychedelic trips actually just irrelevant then? All his Jungian talk, his book Maps of Meaning that integrates the shared values of all the different religious traditions (east and west) with western psychology and neuroscience, does all of that not have a slight tinge of holism in it?

His idea of God isn't merely pre-rational/traditionalist Christianity. He is more a religious pluralist with an affinity for Christianity (he is more like Rupert Sheldrake in that sense). There is a reason why rationalists get so uneasy when he starts talking about God and why they don't know if they should place him in the William Lane Craig theologian box or the Deepak Chopra woo-woo box. He is post-rational in that respect (and obviously lacking in other areas).

He spoke with Ken Wilber a few times, but I think Ken Wilber was actually falling into his own pre-trans fallacy. JP's criticism's of Green are below it. He knows about post-rational concepts, but he's never actually taken the time to develop and become post-rational. He is a pre-rational sad fool.

[Carl-Richard]

6 hours ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

He spoke with Ken Wilber a few times, but I think Ken Wilber was actually falling into his own pre-trans fallacy. JP's criticism's of Green are below it. He knows about post-rational concepts, but he's never actually taken the time to develop and become post-rational. He is a pre-rational sad fool.

My point is you can have post-rational views in one domain (regarding the nature of God) and still fall into the trap of criticizing Green from below. You can't be a master in all areas. I mean, Ramaji and Ananda Devi voted for Trump...

Edited November 15, 2020 by Carl-Richard

[AtheisticNonduality]

And Ken Wilber does make a distinction between waking up, growing up, and cleaning up.

[Carl-Richard]

8 minutes ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

And Ken Wilber does make a distinction between waking up, growing up, and cleaning up.

Exactly.

[Megan Alecia]

Yogananda mentioned on TV.... ?‍♀️ 

God works in mysterious ways? (But its California so... makes sense?) 

[howtoyellow]

 

Although most of his work is in Hindi, still needs a mention in this thread.

[Thewritersunion]

 

[blackchair]

2 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

OSHO talking about the ideal society being with no classes, National borders world boundaries, which perfectly embodies TURQOISE, as the whole point of TURQOISE is that it's holistic

OSHO: What is the Need of Nations? - YouTube

Damn Link won't embed again!

LOVE IT

[Megan Alecia]

Eckhart is an entertaining and actually interesting guy, deservedly one of the most prominent stage turquoise figures out there

Edited November 30, 2020 by Megan Alecia

[blackchair]

what do you think guys? a little bit controversy lol