Spiral Dynamics Stage Turquoise Examples Mega-Thread

[AtheisticNonduality]

They get better at crystalizing the element...

[AtheisticNonduality]

@Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

On 11.9.2020 at 9:14 PM, AtheisticNonduality said:

They get better at crystalizing the element...

Just stop already.

[AtheisticNonduality]

 

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[Raze]

   

Edited September 21, 2020 by Raze

[AtheisticNonduality]

First, I should probably say that angelic magic and Enochian magic are not always the same thing. Enochian magic is an entire system in and of itself that does utilize angelic intelligences, but there are also other systems that use angels but that are not Enochian.

Also, once a person experiences the dissolution of self, which is one of the side effects of high magic, you experience from a first-hand perspective that there are no other entities. There is only one infinite consciousness which inhabits all things. That being said, ultimately there is no division between you and the angelic intelligences. They are one and the same. However it usually takes many many years of practice before we begin to experience reality in this way. All that exists is sacred, and is just a temporary pattern within the divine mind. We are here to evolve, expand, and learn - which is not always going to be an easy process....This is why it’s called “growing pain” and not “growing pleasure.”

--Damien Echols

[AtheisticNonduality]

Channeling usually falls into the domain of mediumship, which is more in the realm of mysticism than magick. Magick - and by magick I mean the original sense of the word, which is astrotheurgy - is more about invoking celestial energies, which can be anthropomorphized as angels. These celestial energies are mirrored on a smaller scale within every individual (as above, so below) and part of the reason we invoke them is to balance those energies within ourselves so that compulsive behaviors are gradually brought to the level of conscious observation and can then be eliminated. When we no longer act on unconscious, compulsive urges, we achieve sovereignty over ourselves and our lives. We become a king. In ancient Mesopotamian magick, the Goetic entities weren’t viewed as “demons” in the fundamentalist Christian sense of the word. They are aspects of our lower, subconscious minds, just as angels are aspects of our “higher self.” The ultimate goal of magick is the union of opposites - by merging our angels and “demons” we integrate them into our psyche and achieve what psychologists would call “self actualization” - wholeness. The practice of magick - astrotheurgy - leads to the dissolving of the tendency to view the world through the lens of duality.

--Damien Echols

Edited September 24, 2020 by AtheisticNonduality

[Thewritersunion]

 

Welcome to the end of Nothing. 

[Thewritersunion]

@Husseinisdoingfine seen that lol

[Darren_Everitt]

On 3/2/2020 at 3:33 AM, Cocolove said:

On 3/2/2020 at 0:47 AM, Leo Gura said:

No because none of you here are at those levels and the examples would mostly be wrong.

It's hard enough to get clear Turquoise examples.

I read Ken Wilber talk about meta mid para mind over mind and super mind and I just get confused as to what the hell is going on. Will I have to get to or near those levels to be able to conceptually understand them?

In Wilber's book, Integral Psychology, he compares dozens of frameworks of psychological development and after the equivalent of Coral, it seems that only Sri Aurobindo had more stages ( illinumated mind, intuitive mind, etc.). So it seems that only he could perceive that such further levels exist.

[Thewritersunion]

@Darren_Everitt What’s Coral?

[Darren_Everitt]

11 hours ago, Thewritersunion said:

@Darren_Everitt What’s Coral?

Coral is the stage after turquoise. My (very limited) understanding of it is that from turquoise to coral: compassion becomes love; life as dream becomes life as presence; and a whole lot of Eastern spiritual terms are used as we run out of understanding and language about it.

I don't even bother with Turquoise in my explanation of SD: https://medium.com/@Darren_Everitt/psychosociological-devlopment-the-4th-person-a5ca589a196a.

The point is that there is plenty more stages of understanding/being here in the relative/dualistic realm - and I think they're best left alone until one starts getting there else the questions make no sense - whereas enlightenment or awakening to the omnipresent absolute/divine/non-dual realm is independent of psychological maturity. To be concise, one's experience and interpretation of such an awakening is determined by one's developmental stage.

[Sucuk Ekmek]

You weren't expecting Bethesda huh?

[integral]

@Darren_Everitt Can you instead explain it in terms of functional programming.

[DocHoliday]

Mind blown.

 

 

[Darren_Everitt]

@integral Hehe. No, Yellow isn't functional, just classy. 

 

[Hello from Russia]

Hey, guys. Does anyone have examples or any intel on how supernatural creativity looks like on stage turquoise (it is one of the values/traits in the list)?

[Raze]

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“…If you become Reason,

you will know Reason perfectly

If you become Love,

you will know Love's flaming wick.”

~ Rumi

 

[AtheisticNonduality]

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In the magical universe there are no coincidences and there are no accidents. Nothing happens unless someone wills it to happen. The dogma of science is that the will cannot possibly affect external forces, and I think that's just ridiculous. It's as bad as the church. My viewpoint is the exact contrary of the scientific viewpoint. I believe that if you run into somebody in the street it's for a reason. Among primitive people they say that if someone was bitten by a snake he was murdered. I believe that.

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Since the word "magic" tends to cause confused thinking, I would like to say exactly what I mean by "magic" and the magical interpretation of so-called reality. The underlying assumption of magic is the assertion of "will" as the primary moving force in this universe – the deep conviction that nothing happens unless somebody or some being wills it to happen. To me this has always seemed self evident ... From the viewpoint of magic, no death, no illness, no misfortune, accident, war or riot is accidental. There are no accidents in the world of magic.

--William S. Burroughs