The Nature Of The Ego

[Ananta]

@Victor Mgazi Aversion

[Victor Mgazi]

Aversion...how so? 

Can you explain? 

[Faceless]

4 hours ago, Victor Mgazi said:

So what would be the opposite of attachment (clinging), not conceptualy but actually, what would it be? 

The absence of fear

[Ananta]

3 minutes ago, Faceless said:

The absence of fear

Isn't that the remedy, not opposite, of attachment? 

[Ananta]

35 minutes ago, Victor Mgazi said:

Aversion...how so? 

Can you explain? 

To me the opposite movement to clinging/attachment is aversion (ie, someone or something that arouses strong feelings of dislike.)

We usually are either clinging onto this or that, or pushing something  away.

[Faceless]

6 hours ago, Anna1 said:

Isn't that the remedy, not opposite, of attachment? 

Well he said opposite yet not conceptually. 

If there is no psychological fear, there is no attachment. 

The conceptual opposite being dualistic, and an opposite of attachment, like non-attachment, is also a movement of duality. 

Non-attachment becomes an idea born to the resistance of attachment. 

But either way, more subtly, to create an opposite in its opposite remais an action born of fear-duality. The duality in the movement that takes place, and the duality that influenced that whole movement, which is the action taken as this isolated entity that sees itself different from that which it wants or does not want. 

 

Edited July 28, 2018 by Faceless

[Faceless]

9 minutes ago, Anna1 said:

We usually are either clinging onto this or that, or pushing something  away.

Indeed. 

Fear grasps onto or pushes away 

[Faceless]

16 minutes ago, Anna1 said:

Isn't that the remedy, not opposite, of attachment? 

Even the “remedy” is fueled by the movement of fear. 

The remedy in this case being to end fear. 

But any movement of fear cannot end fear. 

[Faceless]

@Victor Mgazi

i wouldn’t even go there with the opposite to attachment. 

 To me that implies that the duality as I still chooses between, or decides. 

all a movement of i, time. 

Edited July 28, 2018 by Faceless

[Victor Mgazi]

@Faceless but then that would imply that all actions are driven or motivated by fear. Is this correct? 

No actions would then mean no will right? 

@Anna1 alright - I think I see your point but how would one push something away without clinging to something because in order for you to dislike something some sort of reason or motive is needed and that would defeat itself because now you are clinging on to your beliefs or reason for pushing things away. 

[Zweistein]

 

2 hours ago, Victor Mgazi said:

@Faceless but then that would imply that all actions are driven or motivated by fear. Is this correct? 

No actions would then mean no will right? 

One finds more and more peace in silently observing....

 

Edited July 28, 2018 by Zweistein

[Jack River]

My favorite thread 

 

[Zweistein]

Once detached from outcome, freedom and bliss is discovered.

[Faceless]

4 minutes ago, Zweistein said:

Once detached from outcome, freedom and bliss is discovered.

We can also observe the subtlety of fear in being detached “from” outcome, or something. 

As this implies reaction. Freedom from, when gone into very deeply, is not actual FREEDOM. As freedom is the absence of conditioned response , or (reaction), which then influences another action, and this becomes an endless pattern of incomplete action.This still remains a perpetual movement of fear-thought-ego reacting, and acting on behalf of that reaction. It then becomes a viscous cycle of cause-effect-cause-effect. 

Thought-ego will nourish its own movement as time by this never ending compulsion to act incompletely, or mechanically as a response(reaction-action).

 

[Faceless]

46 minutes ago, Victor Mgazi said:

but then that would imply that all actions are driven or motivated by fear. Is this correct? 

No actions would then mean no will right? 

Any action be it positive-negative, implies will-volition, is incomplete, and will further nourish this fear, and manifest itself in, and as, reaction (a motive)...this will perpetuate and sustain incomplete action, as fear continues to influence action mechanically. 

This is all a movement of the chooser who seeks security in time.

To seek security in thought, not seeing that thought itself creates the i, and the insecurity. 

Self feeding loop⭕️

Edited July 28, 2018 by Faceless

[Victor Mgazi]

@Faceless but that would mean that freedom is uncaused and unaccomplishable. 

[Faceless]

1 minute ago, Victor Mgazi said:

@Faceless but that would mean that freedom is uncaused and unaccomplishable. 

Only to a mechanism inclined to move within the field of causation. 

We must be aware of  motive (unaccomplishable)

[Faceless]

FREEDOM IS NOT BOUND BY TIME-CAUSATION

 

THOUGHT WORKS TO SOLVE PRACTICAL-FUNCTIONAL PROBLEMS WITH TIME, BUT PSYCHOLOGICALLY, TIME-CAUSATION IS HAS NO PLACE. 

 

ACTION INFLUENCED IN ACCORDANCE TO CAUSATION-TIME, ARE THE ROOT OF PSYCHOLOGICAL IMPRISONMENT. 

FREEDOM IS NOT CULTIVATED IN TIME, BUT IS NOW, OR IT IS NOT. 

Edited July 28, 2018 by Faceless

[Faceless]

This will make sense if we see the connection between incomeplete action, time, reaction-action, causation, and notice as the chooser-duality. 

[Victor Mgazi]

@Faceless then that means there already is freedom! Right now which is eternal.