Naive Realism possible post enlightenment?

[kieranperez]

I'm curious on some opinions on this. 

Is it possible to still buy into naive realism post enlightenment? 

I love this particular clip in @Leo Gura's interview with Ralston as this clip has so many juicy hints and insights. One of the obvious insights though is that all because you've glimpsed your true nature, that doesn't always mean you grasp beyond just that. So I was wondering, can you really buy into there being a phsyical external world even if you've grasped your true nature? I can imagine that, as you one goes deeper in this work then that illusion would collapse because it would no longer make sense after a certain point. However, I'm just curious if naive realism can still pose as a potential trap after an awakening of who and what I am.

 

[WelcometoReality]

@kieranperez You start to move away from these concepts after realization. 

Reality starts becoming more and more dreamlike so the whole concept of external reality does collapse. While there still is a person/body there, and from that perspective there is an outside world, what you realize is what you truly are is everything. So from that perspective "external" seems ludicrous.

[Guest Quanty]

Indeed, Enlightenment is rock bottom and from there starts the real growth. 

[Bobby]

@kieranperez

it’s still  possible post no-self, which is just one enlightenment. 

Greater enlightenments will show you more about the nature of consciousness.

Edited July 16, 2018 by Bobby

[Leo Gura]

@kieranperez Well, someone like Sam Harris demonstrates how one can pursue spirituality, have some minor awakenings, but still be lost in materialism, rationalism, and moralism.

The question is: how deep was your awakening really?

The early awakenings tend to not be deep.

At the deepest levels, not only the self, but reality itself will collapse.

[Edvard]

55 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@kieranperez Well, someone like Sam Harris demonstrates how one can pursue spirituality, have some minor awakenings, but still be lost in materialism, rationalism, and moralism.

The question is: how deep was your awakening really?

The early awakenings tend to not be deep.

At the deepest levels, not only the self, but reality itself will collapse.

The way I see it is that materialism is an ideology, but so is anti-materialism. It just is what it is. A human mind thinking about it is just that, no matter the meaning of those thoughts for us. You are not really talking absolute truth by stating that it's not material. Rather that materialism is not true. But not false either. What determines what is material? 

The phone I'm holding is material. It's part of the material of a «dream».

Edited July 16, 2018 by Edvard

[Leo Gura]

On 7/16/2018 at 0:29 PM, Outer said:

Man, you are just like J.P and Sam Harris.

Lol

It's hard to resist giving them a taste of their own medicine.

Sort of like bullying a bully