Spiral Dynamics -> skipping stage question

[electroBeam]

Is it possible to skip a stage in spiral dynamics?

I resonate with most values that yellow has, and 2 or 3 values from orange (creativity and achievement), yet at the same time I don't resonate with almost most of green's values. I don't remember ever being in the green stage at all, but at the same time I don't really agree with much of orange, yet I vividly remember agreeing with more orange in the past.

I personally am drawn to yellow, and I feel like just pursuing systems thinking because that's what I enjoy, yet is it more appropriate to try and become green for the sake of preserving the law of never skipping stages?

[Cudin]

The "law" doesn't need your consent to work. You probably really are a yellow thinker for some topics, but are somehow stuck in orange. Be it a economical social political belief, materialism, atheism, rationality, whatever. Just explore the boundaries of the lenses through which you see the world and start getting the glimpses of green values. Mainly for men, it is a tough transition, because it demands emotional work and exposing of your vunerabilities, which are actually great female-energy qualities. Maybe you just hate socialists, maybe you think some people just "care too much and don't really enjoy life". 

What's the problem with eating animals? 

Why should I care about people that I don't even know that live in the other side of the world? 

Why do we have to work so hard to make someone else richer? 

Why can't we just live peacefuly, enjoying love, sex, recreational drugs, just helping each other instead of competing? 

Contemplate these questions. Preferably high on weed or psychedelics.

Embrace the change. Don't care of what others will think if you do change. 

Hope it helps

Edited July 11, 2018 by Cudin

[dorg]

18 minutes ago, electroBeam said:

I don't resonate with almost most of green's values.

Does this mean that you do not, have not, or cannot, appreciate them?

I ask as In my understanding as long as you have experienced (however briefly), acknowledged and fully appreciated it's usefulness , then you can transcend it.  IOW you can be in harmony with a green worldview. If you cannot, then how can you hope to transcend and integrate it into a new worldview?

[electroBeam]

@Cudin thanks dude that should help!

@dorg there's nothing wrong with green, just like how there's nothing wrong with carrots, but broccoli is tastier than carrots.

[dorg]

9 minutes ago, electroBeam said:

@dorg there's nothing wrong with green, just like how there's nothing wrong with carrots, but broccoli is tastier than carrots.

There is something wrong with green! That is why there is a need to transcend it.

But there is also a lot right with green and that is what needs to be fully appreciated.

If it is not appreciated for what it is, or was, then it cannot be integrated into the new view.

[WorknMan]

2 hours ago, electroBeam said:

I personally am drawn to yellow, and I feel like just pursuing systems thinking because that's what I enjoy, yet is it more appropriate to try and become green for the sake of preserving the law of never skipping stages?

You strike me as an intellectual yellow, but an emotional orange. I have some experience with that myself 

The good news for you is that, just like you can fully embody orange without being a greedy asshole, you can fully embody green without becoming one of those nasty SJWs that nobody likes. Green isn't so much about progressive politics (although you can use that as a base for understanding where green is coming from) as it is really opening yourself up to people so that you have genuine empathy and compassion for them.

Sure, you can bypass all that shit, but that's going to be a road block on your way to turquoise. (And this is why they say you can't skip stages - each one builds on the previous one.) Just try green on for awhile, and if you really have trouble with it, try to find some MDMA and do it with someone you care about. I think Leo really undersells MDMA as a tool for spiritual growth, which is understandable, considering its high potential for misuse. But  my first MDMA trip was an eye-opener in regard to what empathy really is all about. So far, it has been the most profound psychedelic I've tried. (Still need to get my hands on some 5-meo.)

Edited July 11, 2018 by WorknMan

[Till]

I think the biggest misconception that I read on the forum is that people rate the values which are asociated with a stage very much and because of that evaluation they favor in which stage they are. Of course on paper, to most people values like radical open-mindness or complexity they might agree to some degree, but do they embody it?

It can be very benefitial for your personal development process if you tend to put yourself lower than you actually do.

For example a yellow type of person is a fully developed master of his emotions. He is able to trigger his own emotions like he wants them to be in the present moment. This skill is developed in stage green. It needs to be practiced especially in sudden appeared circumstances if you would really become a master in it. For that process you need to be very socialy active and compassioned. 

[Viking]

i think you cant be fully yellow if you cant see from green's perspective and feel what green feels.