Spiral Dynamics Stage Yellow Examples Mega-Thread

[lukko]

SONDER
Taking whoever decides to read this on a little mental obstacle-course

You are a pirate. 

A pirate sitting on a treasure chest as he’s trying to open it.

He is pulling hard, but he's tired of pulling. He deeply craves this treasure.

It's in the nature of the pirate to crave the treasure.

The pirate doesn't know what's inside this chest.

Nevertheless, he keeps on pulling anyways, after all, it's in his nature.

He's not realizing that his efforts are meaningless. Destructive and demoralizing.

His current perspective is not giving him any value…

Maybe this treasure was not meant for me after all.

The pirate eventually starts thinking to himself that perhaps he should have chosen a different profession.

“Perhaps I should become a dentist instead?”

But that treasure is yours, and it has always been yours.

And the best of it all -  you were destined to find it.

The pirate had sailed all over the world unknowingly drifting by the invisible current - drawing him towards this moment...  

A hidden intuition pulling him in.

His nature.

As if life was a physical conveyer belt filled with personal experiences that you forgot that you ordered 

- SONDER

Let me ask you something…

"If you saw yourself from another perspective sitting on that chest, would you dare to stand up for the first time?"

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Following up on this little metaphorical analogy, I would like to introduce you to a very significant analogy, I will attempt to show you, the pirate, from another perspective.
A perspective making it possible to see yourself, the pirate from a different angle.

An approach tailored towards the more logical, rational minds.

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I would like you to imagine that your mind is like a stack of books.
(Don’t get stuck in metaphors here)

Each book in this pile is a belief.
(Let's draw a realistic line in the sand, 2+2=4 ← this is not a belief)
 

You have been collecting and stacking books your entire life, starting from when you began forming memories at the age of three years old.
 

Each book in this pile is a belief. You have many books, thick and thin, heavy and light. finished pieces and ones currently in the process of being written.
 

These books together form your identity, your sense of who you are.

 

Sketch 1

 

Together, these books become you.

These books are the most real thing that you have ever known.

They are you.

You see the world through your books.

These books collectively act as your lens.

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If we zoom out and take a look at the world, there is no such thing such as unbiased journalism.

Same goes for you, the reader, the real author of these books.

We are all biased authors.

 

Let's focus on a random book in your pile...

The content of this particular book is dependent and reliant on the ones below this one...

We are all biased authors.

 

The heavier and thicker a book becomes, the more you emotionally identify with this book, this belief.
An exponential process.
 

We unknowingly surround ourselves around other people that have similar books to our own.

^When we do this, we do not have to question our content- or be exposed to the need of checking the liability of our sources.

Often half assed click baits filled with biased content

^It's simply one of the many ways of defending our current beliefs, our books, our identity, our sense of self. A defense mechanism is hidden unless exposed to reflection. 

This is one of the many tactics used in the process that is dedicated towards the preservation of our current way of thinking. (Thanks Leo for putting this in words)

We are stuck in a loop dedicated towards the preservation of our current ways of thinking.

A constant loop of reacting instead of reflecting. → They say we are a product on our environment, well I say we are the first generation of algorithms

^Boosted by Dopamine

 

It’s easier now than ever to find toxic circlejerks available in closed Facebook groups... Usually built with the agenda to make “outsider” books as heavy as possible…

^Only like-minded opinions from fellow stackers welcomed or banhammer is used in desperation - Sadly all kinds of extremist books are readily available -  backed by heavy algorithms --> fueled by dopamine…

Like a buffet serving negative momentum

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We do not like to be in an environment where people are trying to pull out our books and ruin our seemingly perfect pile. We are willing to go to extreme lengths to avoid this.

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Let's zoom again out for a moment

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Example time: Meeting an individual for the first time - This person might introduce themselves along the lines of:
 

- Hi, my name is Klara and I am a Vegan

- Hi, my name is Lukas and I am a philosopher

 

This person introducing her/himself just showed you one of his heaviest books, he/she gave you a key to his emotional hotspot-lock - Like someone unknowingly inviting another person for a potential dance!

If you are looking to connect with Klara or Lukas →  a good strategy would be to aim for this book right here.

Or on the other hand, if you for whatever reason feel like triggering or disconnecting with this person, a good choice would be to aim for this book they showed you -->  Why? --> Often consumed by one's own labels created in the mind... 

Interesting, but now let's continue.

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We have been stacking these books, funny thing is that you weren't really aware of this process, and even if you were, you lacked judgment in your younger years.

Actually, you inherited the majority of these books from the culture you were born in.  ←  Earth ← Continent ← Country ← City ← Family (masculinity and femininity resources) ← Culture starting point ← Daily Environment ← Survival mode [ON]/[OFF](?)*

We simply received the starting package of books from whichever culture that you happened to be born in.
 

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We are all biased authors.

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We never really chose our books, we never went through the process of careful selection.
We were never picky enough.

We just received the starting package from whichever culture we happened to be born in. Our foundation for this process was based on randomness, but we do not treat it as such. (Depends on one's view of incarnation).

We were the ones writing these books → A very biased process, by a very biased author.

We are all biased authors.

We define ourselves →  our stack of books → as a measuring stick to judge and decide what is right, what is wrong, and what is crazy. (thx again Leo)

We use this measuring tool that is based on perspective in our ongoing quest to find truth in the world.

The truth capable of setting us free.

Stacking books makes us see things in only black or white. We morph our previously colorful world into a black and white one, forgetting the colorful and joyful experiences we previously had as kids.

Is this what childhood really amnesia is?

Would be interesting to hear you guy's opinion(s) on this one!
 

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When we are faced with a debate or conversation ahead of us containing potential value →  Most of us go in with the unknowing agenda to defend our books → or with the focus to destroy the other person's pile.

 

(An action deeply hidden beneath emotions fueled by a loop of agressive reaction instead of reflection)

Instead of mutually going in with the shared agenda to grow.

Or climbing the real ladder.
This prevents us from using our surrounding resources.

We are trapped in our own cycle of perspectives.
We forget to listen --> We forgot how to listen.

We are all biased authors.

Let's add Spiral Dynamics to this mental picture

You are the Average color of your combined books

Heading in a direction chosen by your place in the hierarchy
 
Which color are you? 
Mentally calculate using
amount of pages, not the number of books although impossible

Why is this person orange? 


When we open these books, if we ever do. We can with our golden rationality finally realize that there is no truth written within any of these books.

Just perspectives →  Perspectives we perceive as truth, an illusion.

 

The grand illusion. *

Books can always be edited or ripped out. Not truth, just perspectives.

 

But in order to do so, you have to fight your inner voice →  in order to do so → you have to have the proper relationship and understanding of your inner dialogue.

Understanding the lawyer….

Understanding the inner voice….

With full understanding → Aggression and annoyance disappears and is swallowed by wisdom (Hmm, right direction here Leo or fellow thinkers?)

Inner dialogue → another can of worms I will open in the next thread

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Logic time*

Let's open one book, we may honestly reflect and say;
 

"I would not have this perspective if I did not have this perspective -->  if I did not have this perspective if I did not have this one, that I build this one on."

With enough effort and skill, this process can be continued as you head further and further down towards the bottom of your pile.
The foundation of it all.

Your first book.

The book you (unknowingly)  placed there when you were just three years old.
Your name.

Who are you?

When did you last ask yourself this question? → The most valuable question that there is.

Not just asking- asking while → being open enough not to know the answer while asking is key →

 

Good luck filling a full glass of dirty water with champagne

especially when you deeply believe it’s already champagne

or

“You will never know that 2+2 is actually 5 if you know that it it’s 4”

If you ask yourself this question,

Who am I?

You will only come up with different titles of books.

Heaviest ones in order going from heavy to light.
Starting with perspectives you heavily emotionally identify with…

You are not perspectives.

So who are you?

Are you perspectives perceived as truth?

Hmm….

This is how society prays on us. It knows our books, the people in charge know your library, each time you liked or shared content they got a more accurate representation of your library.

They say we are the product of your environment, well I say we are the first generation of algorithms fueled by dopamine

They want you to keep stacking for their growth of primitive resources. --> We have domesticated ourselves. (leeo)

This is why we haven't seen any significant results in thousands of years, we still follow the same ethical patterns as we did centuries ago.

This time around backed up by glorified labels --> We are still at a very primitive stage in our path towards becoming one.

Labels are socially acceptable blockages standing in the way of reflection backed up by the golden standard of logic.

Still disconnected from each other.
In fact, we were so desperate to become connected that we became disconnected. → Social media.

There is no magic solution to the problem, at this point, most of us can not conceptualize, or even imagine the issue at hand

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Undigestible content made for the purpose of mental masturbation is not going to get us far 

Content tailored towards the public perspective might, however, be a start towards visualizing the problem- and perhaps for the first time seeing our collective obstacles for what they really are. → Illusions

Sources:

Plato’s cave

Spiral Dynamics

Shoot me with your criticism, give me your all --> Potential value for at least one of us

 

 

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In Fintech,

Currently working on ai algorithms that may determine one's current location as well as momentum -+ 

Algorithm optimization
Using scraped and available mass data, including ocr to loot quotes and "wisdom" banks 

Analyzing and filtering data to categorize each person, family, company - putting them in a box, highlighting momentum and absorbing different colors...   
Allowing each advertisement to be aimed right in the feels...
Each advertisement coming in 12 different versions,
6x colors - x2masc/fem 

Mirroring  attraction spectrum using all kinds of data, ranging from p0rn to purchase history...(?)  

Turning AI into a chameleon  

Good intentions here, I am trying to flip this one
 

 

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peace

 

SONDER

 

 

Edited July 9, 2018 by lukko

[okulele]

11 hours ago, Aaron Watkins said:

Paul Chek, a holistic health & fitness coach, I believe is a good example of someone in yellow.

 

 

I'd guess he might be turquoise. He is back to the collective mindset a lot.

[okulele]

 

[Bronson]

Matt Schifferle is in my opinion a yellow fitness coach and author who deserves much more attention

 

[Congruence]

Cedric Villani (Mathematics Field Medallist) epitomizes Yellow for me, but with a strong individualistic Orange bent.

"You have to allow some uncertainty in the system. If you try to predict, you lose the most interesting parts."

Edited July 9, 2018 by Congruence

[dante_augusto]

If i uderstood spiral dynamics right, i would say the musician John Frusciante has a lot of yellow characteristics in his psyche.

 

 

[Bronson]

22 minutes ago, brovakhiin said:

Oh boy, a bunch of spiral dynamics amateurs going out on a limb and posting their biased feeling-opinions based on some youtube clips. Not sure what the point of this is Leo, you know full well that none of these suggestions can be taken seriously simply based on who is giving them, even if a few of them may turn out correct. This stuff is more complex than that.

You may be right, but I think someone like Leo or an "spiral dynamics expert" can sort out inappropriate posts very quickly and benefit from some of the good stuff here. Like for example my post

[Itskobah]

Weren't most of the famous greek philosophers yellow?

[molosku]

@Elisabeth

I didn't describe my current stage of development on purpose, as that would lead people just giving advice to and idea of me. It too difficult to accurately describe all the details of how I'm emotional here and intellectual there and what do I think of this and that... I guess one should not overthink this and just see where things go thanks for your reply

[molosku]

@brovakhiin

How and where and who can then have a meaningful conversations, if " x amateurs talking about x and sharing their biased feeling-opinions" is not good enough? Are we not all here to learn?

[derivedcategories]

From Green to Yellow (and maybe hints of communal Turquoise?)

 

Edited July 9, 2018 by derivedcategories

[primzolo]

PewDiePie ... comedian who have the most subscribers on youtube. He makes content from cheap jokes to some "serious talks". I can notice some chameleon structure that he has. In this video we can also see some resemblance to the stage yellow. He consists of many colors and is not yellow at most of his videos... But from time to time he also shows this side.

We, who don't know him personally, can only wonder, if he acts more yellow, when he is not in front of camera. I can definitely say for myself that he is partly yellow, which means that we have a lot of influential people like him all over the world. 

The statistics that Leo gave in the Yellow video - 1% of people and 5% of influence - seems unreasonable. I think that a lot of people have yellow in them. These numbers are not important, except if you want to feel special as the 1%. 

What do you guys think?

[molosku]

@primzolo PewDiePie is most definitely NOT yellow, like you yourself said. I'm not going to watch all of his videos to make a really high level analysis of his development, but one thing is for sure: he is not a good example of a yellow person.

[Vinnie]

Peter Joseph; known about this guy since his first Zeitgeist film in 2008. Surprised no one's mentioned him. Haven't bothered to think where about's he fits on the scale. Green / Yellow 

[Sevi]

Adorable women.. Please take your time to know them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

These ladies were not just capable of love but further more than that, they were able to transform their love into making a change and progress in mankind. They are absolutely adorable.

[primzolo]

@molosku Why I posted this video is to show the part, where he uses this (yellow) perspective. No video posted here is perfect example of yellow, because in practice it is almost impossible to find a person, that qualifies this perfect restrictions. But, if we think about a specific moments with specific people, we can see that lessons can be learned in them - in this PewDiePie case "yellow" lesson.  Nobody expects that you would analyze every video - if the purpose of this tread is only analyzing everyone who fits in description of Yellow as a whole person - then my mistake. 

@Etherial Cat Yes, I think in most of his videos, he is exactly like this. With this example I only tried to show that even, if he makes orange level appearance, it doesn't mean that he is mostly orange. As is my knowledge about yellow stage - it has an ability to consciously switch between tier 1. stages, when they are appropriate. 

The fact is, that yellow isn't always the optimal color with which you can deal with your life - and that in itself is a yellow conclusion.

P.S. With this replies, I only tried to explain myself, why I made post of him here. It is only my opinion, of course - but I felt some resonance that he would bring a lot of disagreements like: "he doesn't belong here". Maybe that's true. 

Edited July 9, 2018 by primzolo
Missing important word

[Sevi]

Lord Mansfield: British judge. Makes an important chance in history.

Okay it's too long to write. I adore this movie, I have had taken my time to write down most of the lines of the movie to my journal.

He adopts this black daughter; he resists immense pressure not just while adopting her but then through the Zong Ship case while giving the most humanistic decision at the court... The humanistic attitudes of Dido -her daughter, John her husband.. and the way they create a shift.. Is .. Still makes my heart pounding while even writing this.. 

I couldn't find his final speech at the court in YouTube, but:

 

 

 

 

Edited July 9, 2018 by Sevi

[Sevi]

 

 

[Key Elements]

 

1 hour ago, Sevi said:

Lord Mansfield: British judge. Makes an important chance in history.

Great painting of Belle and her cousin. What I noticed in the movie was, no one wanted to marry Belle's cousin in the end, so Belle supported her cousin's arranged marriage by giving her dowry. UK had arranged marriages at the time. The point to this is, just because someone's marriage is arranged, doesn't mean it's at stage blue, and it doesn't mean it stays at stage blue. Arranged marriages are more nuanced than that. Nowadays, most ppl are not familiar with it. When ppl hear about arranged marriages, they may just pass it off as stage blue marriage and don't give it a second thought as to what happens when it's not stage blue.

[eleveneleven]

Alanis Morissette. Most people know her more for her earlier Orange-tinted work (which North American culture finds most relatable), but these days she appears to be at green/yellow. (As she moved into green and beyond, her music changed and became less "mainstream" you could say.) This is a good example of a song with aspects of both green and yellow, I would say:

This one as well, I would say:

There are many more examples in her recent work. Her husband's work is at a similar stage.