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On 08/01/2021 at 5:52 AM, How to be wise said:

This is very common outside the west. Men prevent women from attending religious sites because they don’t want to be distracted by a woman’s beauty and the sexual desire caused by looking at a woman. Classic stage Blue repression.

Whilst recently the Dalai Lama said he would wish his successor to be attractive if she was a woman ???‍♀️

Make up your minds lads. 

 

The wisest men for millenia were blue, including those enlightened. Perhaps many of their ideas are turquoise but still have attachments to blue ideology. (In regards to some teachers today too, not fully sure). O.o


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7 minutes ago, Moon said:

Whilst recently the Dalai Lama said he would wish his successor to be attractive if she was a woman ???‍♀️

Make up your mind lads. 

 

The wisest men for millenia were blue, including those enlightened. Perhaps many of their ideas are turquoise but still have attachments to blue ideology. (In regards to some teachers today too, not fully sure). O.o

I think Hanzi Freinacht gives a good explanation for this. He uses different language for the stages, but he separates Spiral Dynamics into two dimensions, Code and Cognitive Development. Code is what we would typically think of as the Spiral, it's the language, beliefs, etc that constitute the worldview. On the other hand, Cognitive Development is taken from Michael L. Commons Model of Hierarchical Complexity, and is essentially about the complexity of ideas that you can tolerate, and how you can combine ideas into higher order systems. 

For the great thinkers of the past, they would have low vertical development in Code, only operating with a Stage Blue Code. However, they may have very high vertical development in Cognitive Development, playing with ideas at a very high order of complexity. As such, they would have very high horizontal development within Stage Blue. This would mean that they are very highly educated and dealing with Blue ideas that the average Blue thinker wouldn't have the Cognitive Development to understand. They would also be more likely to begin pushing the boundaries of their current Code Stage toward the development of the next Code Stage, in this case, Orange. 

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@Elevated Interesting perspective and insightful, thanks! Each stage is so broad that the (well-intended) judgment often accompanying labelling using SD stages can be limiting. 

May have a look at the books you recommended above :D


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23 minutes ago, Moon said:

Whilst recently the Dalai Lama said he would wish his successor to be attractive if she was a woman ???‍♀️

No stage Blue person would EVER say that! Dalai Lama is very western. You need to go to China to meet the real stage Blue folks. 

I’m not familiar with Chinese monks, but if you met them, their attitude would be much closer to this:

 


"Not believing your own thoughts, you’re free from the primal desire: the thought that reality should be different than it is. You realise the wordless, the unthinkable. You understand that any mystery is only what you yourself have created. In fact, there’s no mystery. Everything is as clear as day. It’s simple, because there really isn’t anything. There’s only the story appearing now. And not even that.” — Byron Katie

 

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6 minutes ago, Moon said:

@Elevated Interesting perspective and insightful, thanks! Each stage is so broad that the (well-intended) judgment often accompanying labelling using SD stages can be limiting. 

May have a look at the books you recommended above :D


Agreed!  The Metamodernism book mentioned by Hanzi Freinacht that @Elevated mentioned intrigued me enough to order a copy; looking forward to reading it. Almost seems like an extension of some of the things that another one of my favorite authors, David Foster Wallace, wrote about; that postmodernism, having done its job, has reached the limits of its usefulness, and it's due time for a more constructive paradigm to take its place.

 

 

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@Moon @DocWatts 

He mentions David Foster Wallace in the second book as an early Metamodernist.

In line with the idea of the New Sincerity, Hanzi is actually the penname of Daniel Görtz and Emil Friis. They constructed the character of Hanzi, a middle aged hipster who lives in his billionaire friends Swiss Chateau, hiking the Alps and doing acid while he philosophizes about the coming new age of Metamodernism. Definitely plays the role of ironic sincerity. Once you get the character they're playing, you'll appreciate the humour of the book much more. 

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On 1/13/2021 at 11:49 AM, Elevated said:

@Moon @DocWatts 

He mentions David Foster Wallace in the second book as an early Metamodernist.

In line with the idea of the New Sincerity, Hanzi is actually the penname of Daniel Görtz and Emil Friis. They constructed the character of Hanzi, a middle aged hipster who lives in his billionaire friends Swiss Chateau, hiking the Alps and doing acid while he philosophizes about the coming new age of Metamodernism. Definitely plays the role of ironic sincerity. Once you get the character they're playing, you'll appreciate the humour of the book much more. 

Thanks again for the recommendation. One of the most impressive things about the book so far is how its tone of sincere irony is so effective at conveying profound ideas in such an engaging (and self demonstrating) way. Or the way it uses  this to convey important ideas in a way that undercuts it's own self importance. Brilliant.

Humour is such a good way of creating emotional engagement with ideas, it's a pleasant reprieve from the dry academic tone that I've come to take for granted in philosophical works.

Also brings to mind some of my favorite works of fiction that make use of sincere irony to leave a lasting impact (the Good Place comes to mind...).

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I don't know if he's already listed.. 

He is very far developed. But I don't if he uses the terms green and tier 2 from the sd model or from another one

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this guy is amazing ( just claryfing he is yellow on Spyral Dynamics, not that hes yellow because he's asian lol )

This system is literally the future of education right there.

 

Listening to this guy is so satisfying. Gotta love the structural thinking

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On 1/13/2021 at 7:35 AM, Moon said:

Whilst recently the Dalai Lama said he would wish his successor to be attractive if she was a woman ???‍♀️

Make up your minds lads.

Our minds are made up. We want hot women on our terms only when it suits us :P


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It's kinda crass when they think women are a distraction especially in stage Blue countries. Classic misogynistic attitude. 

 

 

 


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27 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

It's kinda crass when they think women are a distraction especially in stage Blue countries. Classic misogynistic attitude. 

 

 

 

Blues gonna blue. 


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Just now, Rilles said:

Blues gonna blue. 

Well not forever or else we're fucked!

 


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2 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

Well not forever or else we're fucked!

 

For a few more generations. Not going away anytime soon, more than half the world is still Blue. 

 

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@Rilles @Preety_India The Middle East and Africa haven’t even made it fully to Blue yet! Unconsciousness ain’t going nowhere.


"Not believing your own thoughts, you’re free from the primal desire: the thought that reality should be different than it is. You realise the wordless, the unthinkable. You understand that any mystery is only what you yourself have created. In fact, there’s no mystery. Everything is as clear as day. It’s simple, because there really isn’t anything. There’s only the story appearing now. And not even that.” — Byron Katie

 

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1 hour ago, Girzo said:

@DocWatts @Elevated Guys, I have almost missed a book you are talking about, because there were no pictures in any of your post, but the books seem very interesting, so I will post a cover there to catch attention of people browsing this thread in the future, haha.

Buy it here: https://www.amazon.com/Listening-Society-Metamodern-Politics-Guides/dp/8799973901

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Sorry about that, and thank you. I can't recommend the book highly enough for anyone with an interest in the emerging paradigm of metamodernism, or in developmental psychology. If models like Spiral Dynamics and The Nine Stages of Ego Development are of interest to you, you should read this; you'll come away with a much richer understanding of the paradigm that gave birth to both of those models.

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@Moon I feel like there's a fine distinction between blue thinking and blue 'way' of thinking.
Like for example you can reach opposite conclusions with the same thinking. 

Let's talk about Blue for example:

  1. I can say that "Women aren't allowed in the religious worshipping place of my religion because God said so in the religious book", or
  2. I can say that "Women must go to pray in the religious worshipping place because God said you shouldn't leave your women alone at home", or
  3. I can also say that " Women must be allowed in every place where men are allowed because the law of my country says that men and women are to be treated equally and you cannot argue with the law"

Now if we talk about Yellow (that's just me assuming I can understand yellow, I might be delusional. I definitely don't have turquoise qualities so I won't even talk about that):

  1. I can do a whole calculation based on the psychology of how a man and a woman are attracted to each other, following what social norms would allow the faster and more efficient spread of the important ideas and what social norms are the ones that will definitely backfire in the future (i.e. how 'revolutionary' can I really be because if I'm too much against the current norms, they're gonna kill me and I'm not making any change around here), how much change can people tolerate without their entire worldview breaking down to the point that I create a crisis, what are the other cultures present in the world and how do I scale it, and many many many other factors. After all of that I can arrive at the conclusion that it isn't wise to allow women in the worshipping place.
  2. I can do a very similar contemplation/calculation and reach a conclusion that it is okay for women to gather and worship with men.

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stage yellow talking to a largely stage orange/green crowd

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